Response To The Facebook group — Answering Muslims

My Response to the post of Cenon Bibe dated December 6, 2012 and is located in his Facebook group — Answering Muslims.

He wrote:



LANGCUYAN said, Qur’an being stage by stage taught by Angel Gabriel to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is in PRIVATE.





My Response:

Cenon Bibe is clearly WRONG here. I already said that the revelations is IN PRIVATE. So, there is NO NEED that Gabriel should display his self physically and/or make his voice be heard during revelations. That is why there no such thing as EYE WITNESSES seeing Gabriel in physical form nor heard him.

But there is an evidence — the Qur’an:

“Your companion (Muhammad SAW) has neither gone astray nor erred. Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired. He has been taught (this Quran) by one mighty in power [Jibrael (Gabriel)].”
(Quran 53:2-5)

We Muslims believe firmly in the Qur’an. It is nothing to us and certainly not our problem if non-Muslims do not (or will not) believe in the Qur-an.

Two examples of clear Prophecies that proved the truthfulness of the Quran are:

1. Quran 111 prophecied that Abu Lahab will never embrace Islam. The prophecy is revealed 10 years before his death. And he died as a non-Muslim. The Prophecy did happened.

2. Quran 30:1-6 prophesied the victory Romans over the Persians. The prophecy is revealed about 2 years before the victory. The Prophecy did happened.

He wrote:


My Response:

See my response above AGAIN. I already said that the revelations is IN PRIVATE. So, there is NO NEED that Gabriel should display his self physically and/or make his voice be heard during revelations. That is why there no such thing as EYE WITNESSES seeing Gabriel in physical form nor heard him.

He wrote:

Narrated ‘Abdullah: While we were in the company of the Prophet in a cave at Mina, when Surat-wal-Mursalat were revealed and he recited it and I heard it (directly) from his mouth as soon as he recited its revelation. Suddenly a snake sprang at us and the Prophet said (ordered us): “Kill it.” We ran to kill it but it escaped quickly. The Prophet said, “It has escaped your evil and you too have escaped its evil.” 


My Response:

The “supposed” “Sahih” Hadith is presented here “by Cenon Bibe.” Non-Christians around the world experienced so much deceptions techniques and falsehoods from Christian missionaries and apologists. With their notorious preaching signature, WE DO NOT KNOW if the “Hadith presented by Cenon Bibe” is “true and without EDITIONS by him or by anyone,” or not.

So far, I have not yet checked the “status” of “Hadith he presented.”

Again, see my response above.

He wrote:



My Response:

Again, see my response above. 😀

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Sister Of Aaron (Re-visited)

Reply to Cenon Bibe’s article.

I will divide this article by four. 1st, I’ll remind all that Bible is a lie and unreliable. And why we quote Bible though we don’t believe it. 2nd, I’ll demonstrate that Cenon Bibe is wrong. Virgin Mary (mother of Jesus) is not a biological sister of Aaron (and Moses), and MORE. 3rd, I’ll demonstrate base on his logic, that the Quran is truthful and the his Bible is a lie. And 4th, I’ll challenge the Roman Catholic base on his logic.

1 – Bible is unreliable, it has lots of contradictions. See [1] [2][3].

2 – Virgin Mary (mother of Jesus) is not a biological sister of Aaron (and Moses), and MORE.

The pagan Cenon Bibe is pushing that since Mary is called as a “sister of Aaron” in Quran 19:28 and as a “daughter of Imran” in Quran 66:12, these means that Mary is a biological sister of Aaron and Moses, and likewise a biological daughter of their father whom the Bible identified as Imran.

He’s wrong. Let’s start by reading the passage Quran 19:16-34 to have a right picture.

Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East. She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects. She said: “I seek refuge from thee to (Allah) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah.” He said: “Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son. She said: “How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?” He said: “So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, ‘that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us’:It is a matter (so) decreed.” So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place. And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): “Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!” But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): “Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee; “And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee. “So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, ‘I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'” At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: “O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought! “O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!” But she pointed to the babe. They said: “How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?” He said: “I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; “(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable; “So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)”! Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. (Quran 19:16-34)

In the passage, we see that “Mary’s people” called her as “sister of Aaron”. Let’s see what’s the explanation of Prophet Muhammad (P) as to WHY:


It turns out that Christians in Najran during the time of the Prophet(P) raised a similar objection and it was answered by the Prophet(P). In Sahih Muslim, the hadith related by Mughirah ibn Shu`bah [5326] says:

When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read “O sister of Harun” (i.e. Maryam) in the Qur’an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah’s Messenger(P) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostle and pious persons who had gone before them.

From the Hadith, the Prophet (P) logically answered that Mary is not a biological sister of Aaron. And that reality means MORE.

Also, from,

George Sale in his translation of the Qur’an says:

From the identity of names it has been generally imagined by Christian writers that the Koran here confounds Mary the mother of Jesus with Mary of Miriam, the sister of Moses and Aaron; which intolerable anachronism, if it were certain, is sufficient of itself to destroy the pretended authority of this book. But though Mohammed may be supposed to have been ignorant enough in ancient history and chronology, to have committed so gross a blunder; yet I do not see how it can be made out from the words of the Koran. For it does not follow, because two persons have the same name, and have each a father and brother who bear the same names, that they must therefore necessarily be the same whereby it manifestly appears that Mohammed well knew and asserted that Moses preceded Jesus several ages. And the commentators accordingly fail not to tell us, that there had passed about one thousand eight hundred years between Amran the father of Moses and Amrean the father of the Virgin Mary: they also make them the sons of different persons; the first, they say, was the son of Yeshar, or Izhar (though he was really his brother) the son of Kahath, the son of Levi; and the other was the son of Matthan, whose genealogy they trace, but in a very corrupt and imperfect manner, up to David and thence to Adam. It must be observed that though the Virgin Mary is called in the Koran, the sister of Aaron, yet she is nowhere called the sister of Moses.

3 – Let’s apply Cenon Bibe’s logic towards his Bible for reason of fairness.

In the Bible, Jesus is called as son of David by his people while he was not a biological son of David. So with this and using the logic of Cenon Bibe, Bible is wrong and Quran is right.

Also in the Bible, Elizabeth is called as daughter of Aaron while she was not a biological daughter of him, not by her people but by Cenon Bibe’s god himself! With this too and using the logic of Cenon Bibe, Bible is wrong and Quran is right!

4 – My Challenge.

I will start challenge to Cenon Bibe by presenting a reality. And that reality can be read here.

My Challenge: Since the name of “son#1 of twin#1” and the names of his parents and siblings are THE SAME with the name of “son#1 of twin#2”, and the names of his (son#1 of twin#2) parents and siblings are the same with that of “son#1 of twin#2”’s, I’m challenging Cenon Bibe to declare that “son#1 of twin#1” and “son#1 of twin#2” are ONE PERSON. 😀

My Challenge #2: Reading Quran 19:27-28, we can see that it was Mary’s people who called her as sister of Aaron.

19:27 At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: “O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!

19:28  O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!”

Cenon Bibe wants to deceive us by putting words into my mouth saying I’m declaring that Quran 19:28 is not Words of Allah (swt) but of Mary’s people. How foolish and degrading for him. 😀

Let’s read a similar passage in the Bible and use his logic.

Luke 4:6-7

New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

And the devil said to him, “To you I will give their glory and all this authority; for it has been given over to me, and I give it to anyone I please.

If you, then, will worship me, it will all be yours.”


So, using the logic presented by Cenon Bibe, Luke 4:7 is not a word of his god but of the devil’s! 😀

For fairness’ sake, I’m challenging Cenon Bibe to declare that Luke 4:7 is a devil’s word. 😀

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Bible Contradiction: 500,000 or 470,000 fighting men in Judah?

Philippians 1:18 / New International Version (NIV)

18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice!!!

(It means it is just ok in Christianity to use falsehoods, deceptions and lying just to preach Christ. What a Satanic belief!)

My Response to Cenon Bibe’s Response to me: 2Sam 24:9 vs 1Chr 21:5: Bible Contradictions?

His (Cenon Bibe) article can be access here: I advise the reader to visit the link first before going on below.

My Response:

In his article, Bibe presented two arguments:

1. There’s a difference in meanings between the phrases “in all Israel” and “in Israel”.

2. The 1,100,000 counted “in all Israel” is composed of 800,000 “actual” fighting men “in Israel” and the other 300,000 are non-fighting ones.

He tried to reconcile the two verses by trying to deceive us that there is a SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE between the meanings of the two phrases “in all Israel” and “in Israel.” The thing is, there is NONE.

His other deception attempt is creating an impression that there is a presence of “non-fighting men” that are included in the counted 1,100,000 “in all Israel.” HE’S WRONG. THERE IS NO PRESENCE OF SUCH NON-FIGHTING MEN THERE. The Bible is VERY CLEAR that the fighting men counted in Israel is 1,100,000, but in the other verse is only 800,000.

As a conclusion, Bible has a contradiction on as to ‘How many fighting men are counted in Israel?’ 😀

***(Modified 17/Jan/2013)

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Bible Contradiction: 7 YEARS OR THREE YEARS?

Philippians 1:18 / New International Version (NIV)

18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Yes, and I will continue to rejoice,

My Response to Cenon Bibe’s Response to me: 2Sam 24:13 vs 1Chr 21:12; Famine: 7 or 3 years?

His (Cenon Bibe) link can be access here: I advise the reader to visit the link first before going on below.

Cenon Bibe wrote:

LET us explain another claim of contradiction put forward by MUSLIM DEFENDER BEN LAN[G]CUYAN.

Lan[g]cuyan posted this question to me:

God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
We have already proved in our previous posts that there are NO CONTRADICTIONS in the Bible. People like Lan[g]cuyan are either confused or have been misled by detractors of the Holy Book.

I praise and thank God for this new opportunity to further prove the inerrancy of the Sacred Scriptures.

My Response:

Ok. Bring it on.

Cenon Bibe wrote:

To see the root of Lan[g]cuyan’s confusion, let us read the two texts that he cited.

2Samuel 24:13

So Gad came to David and told him, and said to him, “Shall seven years of famine come to you in your land? Or will you flee three months before your foes while they pursue you? Or shall there be three days’ pestilence in your land? Now consider and see what answer I shall return to Him who sent me.”
1Chronicles 21:11-12

So Gad came to David and said to him, “Thus says the LORD, `Take for yourself either three years of famine, or three months to be swept away before your foes, while the sword of your enemies overtakes you, or else three days of the sword of the LORD, even pestilence in the land, and the angel of the LORD destroying throughout all the territory of Israel.’ Now, therefore, consider what answer I shall return to Him who sent me.”
So, in 2Samuel 24:13the prophet Gad told David of “seven years of famine,” while in 1Chronicles 21:12, he was quoted as saying “three years of famine.”

In Lan[g]cuyan’s mind, “seven” and “three” are contradictory. He needs to be enlightened.

My Response:

Indeed, 7 and 3 aren’t equal and therefore a crystal clear contradictory.

Cenon Bibe wrote:

As I have said before, everyone should see differences in accounts as mere differences in POINTS OF VIEW or in the EXPRESSIONS used by the various authors. They usually MEAN THE SAME.

My Response:

Either it is by in differences in points of view or expressions used, it still goes back to it’s root author/s (e.i. your god or gods).

Cenon Bibe wrote:

Between 2Sam 24:13 and 1Chr 21:12, there is really no difference in the BIBLICAL MEANING of “seven” and “three.”

In the Bible, “seven” and “three” are synonymous. They have similar meanings. And that similar meaning is DIVINE or SPIRITUAL PERFECTION.

THREE is associated with the PERFECTION of GOD. While SEVEN is related with the PERFECTION of the SPIRIT.

My Response:

It has nothing to do with what’s the alleged Biblical meaning of each of the numbers, 3 and 7. We are looking here how many years of famine did your god threatened David with famine. Not what’s the Biblical meanings of any numbers! You are NOT that smart.

Even in meanings of the two, they are not the same! What a!

Cenon Bibe wrote:

When the author of 2Sam 24:13 wrote about what the prophet Gad told David, he merely quoted what the prophet actually said. So, 2Sam 24:13 says, “seven years.”

My Response:

Great. Here you admitted that it was “actually” (and originally) 7 years!

Cenon Bibe wrote:

Now, we already said in our other posts that the author of 1Chronicles is a priest or a religious person.

When he wrote 1Chr 21:12, he stressed that fact that the punishment being meted out to David was FROM GOD. It was an expression of GOD’S PERFECT WILL.

So, instead of simply quoting what the prophet said, the author of 1Chr 21:12 put God directly into the quotation by using “three.”

My Response:

It has nothing to do what’s the human author of 1 Chronicles 21. The human author of 2 Samuel 24 ALSO stressed that the punishment was from your god. And the punishment of seven years was ALSO his expression of his perfect will.

Your arguements are destroyed.

Note also that you exposed here how he corrupt the detail by changing the 7 into 3.

Cenon Bibe wrote:

And again, NO CONTRADICTIONS in the Bible.

What Bible detractors like Lan[g]cuyan and Muslim defenders call “contradictions” are only signs of their own lack of knowledge and understanding of what they are attacking.

My Response:

Of course, there is. The fact that it was actually (and originally) 7 as you have admitted but was 3 on the other means the Bible is having contradiction. Let’s not forget that we’re looking for a SINGLE specific “number of years” on ‘How many years of famine did your god threatened David?’ Not if the Biblical meanings of 7 and 3 are the same or not!

You failed as ALWAYS!!!

[***Note: From above words of Cenon Bibe, he affirmed that it was 7 Years in 2 Samuel and 3 Years in 1 Chronicles 21:11-12. Next, he affirmed that the two passages is talking about the SAME BIBLICAL EVENT.]

[***A important info to everyone: Just about a year ago, I happened to check the Biblical verse, 2 Samuel 24:13, in the popular Bible website;NIV And I’m surprised that the SEVEN YEARS is NOW SILENTLY CHANGED into THREE YEARS in other leading English Bible versions!]

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Me vs Cenon Bibe Jr Part 2: QURAN 19:28 & QURAN 20:85

Put it here. The earlier post are messy now. And I don’t like its messy nature.

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Is Allah (swt) a deceiver?: Me vs Cenon Bibe Jr


Is that ANYTHING COMPARED to a “GOD” who IS THE WORST OF DECEIVERS?” (words of Cenon Bibe Jr / May 28, 4:11 pm / Source)
My Reply: From this statement of Cenon Bibe Jr, he CLEARLY admit that “his God” suffers grief also. But here, I do not care about that. Why? In this very post of mine, I want him to “PROVED” to me his claim that Allah (swt) is a deceiver.

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Is Bible has Contradictions, Yes or No? : Me vs Cenon Bibe Jr

I, I am definitely saying that Bible has corruptions. While Cenon Bibe Jr is pointing “Bible has no contradictions.” This one is a one-on-one discussion just between us two.

NOTE: Initially, I am presenting 15 claims. Cenon must choose any in the presented 15 as the first to be tackled. But I suggest, that it would be better if in the order. He may “clear” it all at once. TY.

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