Further about the Bible, why we Muslims don’t believe in today’s Bible?

Punishment for future disobedience:

The author of this anti-Islamic claim again tries to use the differences between today’s Bible and the Noble Quran as an error in the Noble Quran’s account.  He fails to recognize the fact that the Muslim’s Noble Scripture came to authenticate the Bible, and that we the Mulims consider the current Bible of today as a tampered book by men.

Mr. Jochen Katz presented what he called “4 facts” to prove his theory about the existence of contradiction in the Noble Quran.  Here are my responses to them:

Fact #1:  Mr. Katz wrote: Fact 1: The nation of Israel only came into being at the time of Moses and this is the only time Israel received any law. It is also anachronistic to speak of “the Jews” for this time. It was the children of Israel. The name “Jews” only came into use nearly a thousand years after that. When the ten tribes from the northern kingdom had been deported from Israel by the Assyrians and only the tribe of Judah and some remnants from other tribes were left behind, the tribe of Judah came to represent all of them. But to speak of the Israelites as “the Jews” is something that only became reality after the return from the exile to Babylon by the tribe of Judah.”

My response to Fact #1:  This is a false claim on your part Mr. Katz, because the people of Isreal (the Jews) did recieve many revelations from other Prophets and Messengers of GOD other than Moses.  Yes Moses peace be upon him was the their first Messenger of GOD, but he was not the last one.  Also, regarding the name “Jews” given to the people of Isreal in Noble Verses 4:155-161, Allah Almighty never used the word “Jews” at all in it.   Read Noble Verse 4:153, where Allah Almighty speaks about a group of a People of the Book (From the Jews at Muhammad’s time during year 600 A.C.) who approached Muhammad and asked him questions.  There is a little fraud and lying on your part Mr. Katz.  You may be able to decieve some people by twisting the truth, but the truth will ultimately speak for itself.

Fact #2, Mr. Kaz wrote:  Fact 2: The later prophets speak out against Israel’s disobedience many times, but never does God add any further laws to those given through Moses in the Torah. All the dietary laws, the laws against usury and all other laws are in the Torah. No later additions are made at any time. Moses lived about 1,400 B.C.”

My response to Fact #2:  Again, Mr. Katz is assuming that since the Noble Quran doesn’t agree with today’s Bible, then therefore, the Noble Quran is in error.  As I explained in my response to Fact #1, we Muslims believe that Allah Almighty did send revelations to the People of Isreal through Prophets and Messengers of GOD other than Moses.  Also, Mr. Katz didn’t really present in this claim any contradictions from the Noble Quran, because Allah Almighty in Noble Verses 4:153-161 only spoke about the events that took place when the Jews took idols as their gods, killed many of the Messengers of GOD that were sent to them, and accused Mary of false charges.  Allah Almighty was speaking about some of the sins that the People of Isreal had commited throughout their history.  Where do you  Mr. Katz see history dates in Noble Verses 4:153-161?  Again, there is a little fraud and lying on your part Mr. Katz.  You may be able to decieve some people by twisting the truth, but the truth will ultimately speak for itself.

Fact #3, Mr. Kaz wrote:  Fact 3: The Jewish scriptures do report the slaying of various prophets but all of these are in the time after David, i.e. at least 500 years after Moses and the time the Torah was given.”

My response to Fact #3:  One thing that Mr. Katz missed from reading Noble Verses 4:153-161 is that they spoke about some of the bad and evil things that the People of Isreal did throughout their history from worshiping idols to killing many of the Messengers of GOD that were sent to them to charging Mary with false charges about commiting a sin.  The Noble Verses did not say that all these acts occured during the time of Moses alone.  I some how get the feeling that Mr. Katz knew this answer, but still insisted on being untruthful and try to twist the truth in a hope to decieve some Muslims. 

Fact #4, Mr. Kaz wrote:  Fact 4: The last part of the Jewish scriptures was written about 400 B.C. There was no prophet to the Jews between that time and the time of John the Baptist and Jesus. John the Baptist and Jesus lived and preached about A.D. 25-30. But they are not recognized as prophets by the Jews. It remains that the last recognized Jewish prophet dates about 400 B.C.”

My response to Fact #4:  Mr. Katz is once again making up lies about the Noble Verses 4:153-161.  He is mixing John the Baptish and Jesus with what Allah Almighty is saying about the People of Isreal.  It’s funny how Mr. Katz mixes John the Baptist and Jesus in Noble Verses 4:153-161 where Allah Almighty (GOD) talks about the evil things that the People of Isreal did in the past from taking idols as their gods (after the truth had been revealed to them from GOD) to killing many of the Messengers of GOD that were sent to them to charging Mary with false charges..  I don’t think Mr. Katz really understood what he was critisising.  If he did, then he is obviously a truth twister from the evidence that we see above.

Mr. Katz further states:  “Sura 4:156-157 in particular state that the Jews received harsher laws because they rejected Jesus and insulted Mary, his mother.”  This is a false conclusion and a truth twisting one on your part, because the Noble Verse 4:155 talks about the People of Isreal’s killings to many of Allah Almighty’s Messengers that were sent to them.  Noble Verse 4:156 speaks about the People of Isreal charging Mary with false charges.   Noble Verse 4:157 talks about the People of Isreal claiming that they killed Jesus when they did not.  As I said earlier, the Noble Verses 4:153-157 speak about some of the evil things that the people of Isreal had commited throughout their history.  For the fifth time, Mr. Jochen Katz lies and tries to twist the truth and make up lies about the Noble Quran.   He is obviously very desprate to find errors in the Noble Quran.  He seems to reject the fact that the Noble Quran is the absolute word of GOD, and it would not and can not have errors in it.

Mr. Katz further states:  “Muhammad seems to define as believers those who believe in his mission. Those Jews who see him as a false prophet he denies to even be “believers” anymore.”  This is a false claim against our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, because in Noble Verses 4:160-161, Allah Almighty makes it clear that he was upset from the Jews because of their iniquity, and injustice.  However, Allah Almighty talks about how pleased he is from the good people from the Jews in Noble Verse 4:162, and He (Allah Almighty) promised them great rewards in the day of Judgment.

Again, for the sixth time, Mr. Katz is proven to be a truth twister because of his attempts to decieve the reader from his false claims against the Noble Quran and Islam.

Further about the Bible, why we Muslims don’t believe in today’s Bible?

Muslims and Christians both agree that the Noble Quran does not agree with today’s Bible in everything. Just because the Bible might disagree on something in the Noble Quran, it doesn’t at all negate the claim of the Noble Quran or make it false. There is a certain flow of logic that the Noble Quran presents which we the Muslims believe that it is the truth.

The Bible’s contents today were not written by their original authors.  For example, we read from the book of Matthew so many verses such as this one:

“…And as Jesus passed forth thence, HE (Jesus) saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and HE (Jesus) saith unto HIM (Matthew), follow ME (Jesus) and HE (Matthew) arose, and followed HIM (Jesus). (Matthew 9:9)

Did “Matthew” write this about himself? Why then didn’t Matthew write for example: “he (Jesus) saw ME, and my name is Matthew. I was sitting at the receipt of custom…” etc.

Similarly, we read in the books of Moses things such as “And the LORD said to Moses…”, or “Moses went to that place….”, etc…

Such evidence can be found in many places throughout the Old Testament and the New Testament.  The so called “Original letters/Gospels” that were written in Greek and Hebrew, were written by third party people!

Consider the following few examples that consist of historical contradictions in the Bible:

II Samuel 10:18 talks about David slew the men of 700 chariots of the Syrians and 40,000 horsemen and Shobach the commander.
I Chronicles 1:18 says that David slew the men of 7000 chariots and 40,000 footmen

I Chronicles 9:25 says that Solomon had 4000 stalls for horses and chariots.
I Kings 4:26 says that he had 40,000 stalls for horses

Ezra 2:5 talks about an exile Arah having 775 sons.
Nehemiah 7:10 talks about the same exile Arah having 652 sons.

II Samuel 24:13 So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?
I Chronicles 21:11 SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;

How did Judas die?
“And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself.” (Matthew 27:5)
“And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out.” (Acts 1:18)

2 Samuel 6:23 Therefore MICHAL the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
2 Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of MICHAL the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite.

2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother’s name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8
36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chronicles 16:1

How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
22 in 2 Kings 8:26
42 in 2 Chronicle 22:2

Who was Josiah’s successor?
Jehoahaz – 2 Chronicle 36:1
Shallum – Jeremiah 22:11

Also, your original scriptures are all doubtful according to the Bible’s own theologians and historians.  It’s quite hellarious that even the Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man’s garbage:

“`How can you say, “We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?’ (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie(From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)

And regarding who wrote the books and gospels of the Bible, well here is a sample of what the NIV Bible’s theologians and historians wrote:

Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark.  They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark.  His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost.  (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)

“Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)

The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)

“The letter is difficult to date with precision….(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)

“It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)

“Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)

“The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)

The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)

Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368)

“There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)

Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)

“According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)

Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)

The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources….(From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722)

Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided….(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)

etc…

How do you respond to this?

Please visit: Just who were the original authors of the Bible? to see the book’s bibliography to the above quotes.

Also, why don’t you visit: Contradictions and proofs of Historical Corruptions in the Bible, and see exactly what I mean, instead of acting like a total fool and saying things that even the Bible refutes in it!

It is quite obvious that Christians today believe in third party authors’ words as the words of GOD.  This is a very serious corruption in the Bible that must be taken into deep consideration by the Bible’s followers.  Please visit “Is the Bible the true word of GOD?” to see a full and complete paper about the logical corruptions in the Bible, along with many Christian famous priests and ministers appinions that agree with the Bible’s corruption.  I have their personal quotes in that site.

It is quite obvious that Christians today believe in third party authors’ words as the words of GOD.  This is a very serious corruption in the Bible that must be taken into deep consideration by the Bible’s followers.  Please visit “Is the Bible the true word of GOD?” to see a full and complete paper about the logical corruptions in the Bible, along with many Christian famous priests and ministers appinions that agree with the Bible’s corruption.  I have their personal quotes in that site.

You can not disprove Islam by presenting stories from the Bible that are not narrated the same from the Noble Quran. We Muslims believe that there are many disagreements in today’s Bible, and that the Noble Quran should be the Bible that the Jews and the Christians should follow.

Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran in Noble Verse 11:110 “We (Allah) certainly gave the Book To Moses, but differences Arose therein: had it not been That a Word had gone forth Before from thy Lord, the matter Would have been decided Between them: but they Are in suspicious doubt Concerning it.”

Previous revelations have been corrupted and deprived of their spiritual value by their followers’ vain controversies and disputes. It was possible to settle such disputes under the flag, as it were, or the old Revelations, but Allah’s Plan was to revive and rejuvenate His Message through Islam, amongst a newer and younger people, unhampered by the burden of age-old prejudicies.

There is always in human affairs the conflict between the old and the new, the worn out system of our ancestors, and the fresh living spring of Allah’s inspiration fitting in with new times and new surroundings.  The advocates of the former look upon this latter not only with intellectual doubt but with moral suspicion, as did the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) upon Islam, with its fresh outlook and vigorous realistic way of looking at things.

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"We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?" ~ (The Noble Qur'an, 41:53)
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