Mary, the sister of Aaron?

Differences between the Noble Quran and Bible only prove Islam’s Truthfulness and Divinity.

 

Mary, the sister of Aaron?

Let us look at Noble Verse 19:27-28 “At length she brought The (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms).  They said:   ‘O Mary ! Truly an amazing thing Hast thou brought !  O sister of Aaron !  Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!'”

There are no errors in the above Noble Verses!.

Let us look at what Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said regarding this Noble Verse:

Mughira b. Shu’ba reported:  “When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me:  You read “O sister of Harun (Aaron)” (i. e. Mary) in the Qur’an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus.   When I came back to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said:  The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them.  (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 025, Number 5326)

As we clearly see from the Saying (Hadith) of our beloved Prophet, this issue was brought to him before and he clearly responded to it.  The false claim made against our Prophet about him meaning that Mary was a biological sister of Aaron is clearly refuted.

The People of Isreal used to call people by either their last names, or by adding words such as you “Son of…” or “Brother of….” or “Sister of….”  When they called people “O Son of….” they didn’t mean for that person to be the actual biological son of the person whom they used his name.   The other person could be a simply in the family tree or a last name.

When Jesus was called “Jesus the son of David” for instance, the Jews didn’t mean to call Jesus the actual biological son of David.  Similarily, when they called Mary “O sister of Aaron”, they meant to call her sister of Aaron in faith !.   Not the actual biological sister of Aaron.

The Noble Quran talked about Aaron being Moses’s biological brother and messenger to Pharoah in Noble Verses 2:248, 4:163, 6:84, 7:122, 7:142, 7:150-151, 10:75, 10:87, 10:89, 19:28, 19:53, 20:30-35, 20:42, 20:70, 20:92-94, 21:48, 21:23, 21:45, 25:35-36, 26:13, 26:48, 28:34-35, 37:114-122 and many more…..

The Noble Quran also talks about Moses being the People of Isreal’s first Messenger of GOD in Noble Verses 2:108, 2:248, 4:153, 5:20-26, 6:84, 14:8, 19:51-53, 22:44, 25:35-36, 28:3, 37:114-122, 18:60-82, 20:9-48, 27:7-12, 28:29-35, 79:15-19, 7:109-126, 10:79-82, 20:56-73, 26:38-51, 33:7, 2:53, 2:87, 2:136, 3:84, 6:91, 6:154, 7:144-145, 10:87, 11:110, 14:5, 17:2, 21:48, and may more….

The Noble Quran also talks about Jesus comming to the people of Isreal so many years after Moses and the many other Messengers of GOD that were sent to the People of Isreal in Noble Verses 3:49-51, 5:46, 5:72, 43:59, 61:6, 61:14, 4:171, 5:75, 43:59, 42:13, 4:172, 19:30, 43:64, 43:63, 3:52-54, 5:111-113, 57:27, 61:14, 61:6 and many more…..

The Noble Quran also talks about Mary being the biological Mother of Jesus in Noble Verses 3:35-37, 19:22-26, 21:91, 66:12, 5:75, 21:91, 4:156, 4:171, 5:17, 5:116, 21:91, 3:42-51, 19:16-21, and many more…

So if the Noble Quran speaks clearly about Aaron being the biological brother of Moses, and speaks clearly about Jesus comming many years after Moses and the many other Messengers of GOD that were sent to the people of Isreal, and speaks clearly about Mary being the Mother of Jesus, then therefore, the Noble Quran (1) Recognizes Mary as a woman who was born long years after Aaron, and (2) When the Jews called Mary ‘O sister of Aaron..’, then meant it to be Sister of Aaron in faith only and not a biological sister.

Please visit brother Haleem’s answer where he proves from the Bible that Mary peace be upon her can be called “Sister of Aaron”.

If you then ask, how come the Bible doesn’t state that the Jews called Mary “O sister of Aaron (in faith)”? then you should read the following:

 

What are the Muslims’ views about the today’s Bible?

Muslims and Christians both agree that the Noble Quran does not agree with today’s Bible in everything. Just because the Bible might disagree on something in the Noble Quran, it doesn’t at all negate the claim of the Noble Quran or make it false. There is a certain flow of logic that the Noble Quran presents which we the Muslims believe that it is the truth.

The Bible’s contents today were not written by their original authors.  For example, we read from the book of Matthew so many verses such as this one:

“…And as Jesus passed forth thence, HE (Jesus) saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and HE (Jesus) saith unto HIM (Matthew), follow ME (Jesus) and HE (Matthew) arose, and followed HIM (Jesus). (Matthew 9:9)

Did “Matthew” write this about himself? Why then didn’t Matthew write for example: “he (Jesus) saw ME, and my name is Matthew. I was sitting at the receipt of custom…” etc.

Similarly, we read in the books of Moses things such as “And the LORD said to Moses…”, or “Moses went to that place….”, etc…

Such evidence can be found in many places throughout the Old Testament and the New Testament.  The so called “Original letters/Gospels” that were written in Greek and Hebrew, were written by third party people!

Consider the following few examples that consist of historical contradictions in the Bible:

II Samuel 10:18 talks about David slew the men of 700 chariots of the Syrians and 40,000 horsemen and Shobach the commander.
I Chronicles 1:18 says that David slew the men of 7000 chariots and 40,000 footmen

I Chronicles 9:25 says that Solomon had 4000 stalls for horses and chariots.
I Kings 4:26 says that he had 40,000 stalls for horses

Ezra 2:5 talks about an exile Arah having 775 sons.
Nehemiah 7:10 talks about the same exile Arah having 652 sons.

II Samuel 24:13 So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?
I Chronicles 21:11 SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;

How did Judas die?
“And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself.” (Matthew 27:5)
“And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out.” (Acts 1:18)

2 Samuel 6:23 Therefore MICHAL the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
2 Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of MICHAL the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite.

2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother’s name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8
36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chronicles 16:1

How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
22 in 2 Kings 8:26
42 in 2 Chronicle 22:2

Who was Josiah’s successor?
Jehoahaz – 2 Chronicle 36:1
Shallum – Jeremiah 22:11

Also, your original scriptures are all doubtful according to the Bible’s own theologians and historians.  It’s quite hellarious that even the Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man’s garbage:

“`How can you say, “We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?’ (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie(From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)

And regarding who wrote the books and gospels of the Bible, well here is a sample of what the NIV Bible’s theologians and historians wrote:

Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark.  They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark.  His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost.  (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)

“Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)

The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)

“The letter is difficult to date with precision….(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)

“It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)

“Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)

“The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)

The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)

Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368)

“There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)

Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)

“According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)

Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition.  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)

The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources….(From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722)

Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided….(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)

etc…

How do you respond to this?

Please visit: Just who were the original authors of the Bible? to see the book’s bibliography to the above quotes.

Also, why don’t you visit: Contradictions and proofs of Historical Corruptions in the Bible, and see exactly what I mean, instead of acting like a total fool and saying things that even the Bible refutes in it!

It is quite obvious that Christians today believe in third party authors’ words as the words of GOD.  This is a very serious corruption in the Bible that must be taken into deep consideration by the Bible’s followers.  Please visit “Is the Bible the true word of GOD?” to see a full and complete paper about the logical corruptions in the Bible, along with many Christian famous priests and ministers appinions that agree with the Bible’s corruption.  I have their personal quotes in that site.

It is quite obvious that Christians today believe in third party authors’ words as the words of GOD.  This is a very serious corruption in the Bible that must be taken into deep consideration by the Bible’s followers.  Please visit “Is the Bible the true word of GOD?” to see a full and complete paper about the logical corruptions in the Bible, along with many Christian famous priests and ministers appinions that agree with the Bible’s corruption.  I have their personal quotes in that site.

You can not disprove Islam by presenting stories from the Bible that are not narrated the same from the Noble Quran. We Muslims believe that there are many disagreements in today’s Bible, and that the Noble Quran should be the Bible that the Jews and the Christians should follow.

Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran in Noble Verse 11:110 “We (Allah) certainly gave the Book To Moses, but differences Arose therein: had it not been That a Word had gone forth Before from thy Lord, the matter Would have been decided Between them: but they Are in suspicious doubt Concerning it.”

Previous revelations have been corrupted and deprived of their spiritual value by their followers’ vain controversies and disputes. It was possible to settle such disputes under the flag, as it were, or the old Revelations, but Allah’s Plan was to revive and rejuvenate His Message through Islam, amongst a newer and younger people, unhampered by the burden of age-old prejudicies.

There is always in human affairs the conflict between the old and the new, the worn out system of our ancestors, and the fresh living spring of Allah’s inspiration fitting in with new times and new surroundings.  The advocates of the former look upon this latter not only with intellectual doubt but with moral suspicion, as did the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) upon Islam, with its fresh outlook and vigorous realistic way of looking at things.

 

After you finish reading this article, for much more examples and elaborations please visit:

Differences between the Noble Quran and Bible only prove Islam’s Truthfulness and Divinity.

 

 

 

 

 

Please visit brother Haleem’s answer where he proves from the Bible that Mary peace be upon her can be called “Sister of Aaron”.

Back to Responses to the so-called “contradictions” in the Noble Quran.

from http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/qbhc06.htm

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66 Responses to Mary, the sister of Aaron?

  1. [defenderben] says:

    Mary, the biological sister of Aaron?

    This lengthy diatribe that Muhammad mistook Jesus for Esau (brother of Jacob) is based on this passage:

    “Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing. O SISTER OF AARON! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot.”

    Quran 19:27-28

    The Christian IDOL-WORSHIPPERS claim that since the MOTHER of ESAU was REALLY the BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AAROON the Prophet made a “mistake.”

    However, It is clear that Mary WAS figuratively
    a “O SISTER OF AAROON” – WHY?
    Because both the Bible and Quran agree she was a LEVITE i.e. a member of the tribe of hereditary “cohens” or “priests” in Judaism. (All
    ultimately descendants of Aaroon)

    How do I know this? Mary’s cousin was Elizabeth
    whom we are told “belonged to a priestly family”
    (Luke 1:5, 36). See also Quran 3:35-36 (stating
    Mary was descendent of priestly line of Imran).

    A female descendent of the hereditary priesthood could quite properly be called a “sister of Aaroon!

    from http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/qbhc06_1.htm

    • SO? WHAT IF MARY CAME FROM the LEVITE LINE?

      WHERE does that DISPROVE the ERROR that SURAH 19:28 said that MARY is the “SISTER OF AARON” and SURAH 66:12 that says MARY is the “DAUGHTER OF IMRAN,” who is AARON’S FATHER?

      Please give INTELLIGENT ANSWERS, BEN.

  2. defenderben said:
    As we clearly see from the Saying (Hadith) of our beloved Prophet, this issue was brought to him before and he clearly responded to it.

    CENON BIBE:
    Are you referring to the SAME HADITH which YOU EARLIER SAID was UNRELIABLE and CONTRADICTORY?

    HOW do we KNOW if this HADITH that you QUOTED is RELIABLE?

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    defenderben said:
    Mughira b. Shu’ba reported: “When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read “O sister of Harun (Aaron)” (i. e. Mary) in the Qur’an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 025, Number 5326)“

    As we clearly see from the Saying (Hadith) of our beloved Prophet, this issue was brought to him before and he clearly responded to it. The false claim made against our Prophet about him meaning that Mary was a biological sister of Aaron is clearly refuted.

    CENON BIBE:
    SORRY but what your prophet reportedly said DOES NOT RESPOND to the questions about MARY BEING A BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AARON, as stated in the Quran.

    On the contrary, what he said in the Hadith could be understood simply as people were named “after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them.” THERE IS NOTHING that says MARY IS NOT THE BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AARON.

    As I already pointed out, the QURAN DID NOT ONLY SAY that MARY is the SISTER of AARON, IT ALSO SAID that MARY was the DAUGHTER OF IMRAAN, the BIOLOGICAL FATHER of AARON.

    THESE TWO FACTS: 1) MARY as SISTER OF AARON and 2) MARY as DAUGTHER of IMRAAN SHOW that the QURAN ESTABLISHED that MARY was the BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AARON and BIOLOGICAL DAUGHTER of IMRAAN. And THESE are CLEAR HISTORICAL and FACTUAL ERRORS.

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    defenderben said:
    The People of Isreal used to call people by either their last names, or by adding words such as you “Son of…” or “Brother of….” or “Sister of….” When they called people “O Son of….” they didn’t mean for that person to be the actual biological son of the person whom they used his name. The other person could be a simply in the family tree or a last name.

    When Jesus was called “Jesus the son of David” for instance, the Jews didn’t mean to call Jesus the actual biological son of David. Similarily, when they called Mary “O sister of Aaron”, they meant to call her sister of Aaron in faith !. Not the actual biological sister of Aaron.

    CENON BIBE:
    YOUR EXPLANATION DOES NOT REMOVE the MISTAKE in the BIOLOGICAL SISTERHOOD of MARY with AARON.

    While the term “Son of …” was used by the Israelites, it was to refer to their PARENTAGE and ANCESTRAL LINEAGE. Thus, Jesus was called “son of David.” David was the ancestor of Jesus.

    Good examples of this are:

    1. Matthew 1:1 “This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:”

    2. Matthew 1:20 “But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David …”

    In these examples, it is CLEARLY SHOWN that “SON OF” shows ANCESTRAL LINEAGE.

    For DIRECT SONSHIP, examples are:

    1. Matthew 4:21 “Going on from there, he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John …”

    2. Matthew 10:3 “… James son of Alphaeus …”

    On the other hand, the term “SISTER OF AARON” is a direct reference to their being BIOLOGICAL BROTHER and SISTER. That is why IT IS CLEAR when MARY was called as the “SISTER OF AARON,” it was to DECLARE that SHE is the BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AARON.

    Examples of that are:

    1. John 11:39 “Martha, the sister of the dead man [Lazarus].”

    2. Genesis 28:9 “… Mahalath, the sister of Nebaioth … ”

    These DIRECTLY SHOW BIOLOGICAL SISTERHOOD and BROTHERHOOD.

    In the case of “the brother of …”, here are examples which SHOW DIRECT BROTHERHOOD.

    1. Genesis 28:5 “… Bethuel the Aramean, the brother of Rebekah …”

    2. Samuel 23:24 “Among the Thirty were: Asahel the brother of Joab …”

    3. Mark 5:37 “He did not let anyone follow him except Peter, James and John the brother of James.

    NOWHERE will YOU FIND ANY INSTANCE where “SISTER OF” or “BROTHER OF” are used to refer to ANCESTRAL LINEAGE. THESE ONLY REFER to DIRECT BROTHERHOOD or DIRECT SISTERHOOD.

    Now, DIRECT BROTHERHOOD or DIRECT SISTERHOOD is STRESSED when the “SISTER” or “BROTHER” is also called “DAUGHTER OF” their BIOLOGICAL FATHER.

    Examples of this are:

    1. Genesis 25:20 “Rebekah daughter of Bethuel the Aramean from Paddan Aram and sister of Laban the Aramean.

    2. 2Samuel 17:25 “… Abigail, the daughter of Nahash and sister of Zeruiah …”

    In cases where a person is called “SISTER OF” a PERSON and “DAUGHTER OF” that PERSON’S PARENT, the DIRECT BIOLOGICAL SISTERHOOD is STRESSED.

    And THAT CLEARLY SHOWS the MISTAKE of MARY BEING DEPICTED as the BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AARON.

    In the QURAN, MARY was DEPICTED as BOTH “SISTER OF” AARON and “DAUGHTER OF” IMRAAN, the FATHER of AARON.

    O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste!”
    — Sura 19:27-28

    And Mary, the daughter of `Imran,
    — Sura 66:12

    SEE? JUST LIKE the PRACTICE of the ISRAELITES, the QURAN also CALLED MARY the “SISTER OF AARON” and the “DAUGHTER OF IMRAAN.”

    IT IS SO CLEAR that MARY is DEPICTED as the BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AARON and the BIOLOGICAL DAUGHTER of AARON’S FATHER, IMRAAN.

    The MISTAKE CANNOT BE DENIED.

  3. defenderben said:
    The Bible’s contents today were not written by their original authors. For example, we read from the book of Matthew so many verses such as this one:

    “…And as Jesus passed forth thence, HE (Jesus) saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and HE (Jesus) saith unto HIM (Matthew), follow ME (Jesus) and HE (Matthew) arose, and followed HIM (Jesus). (Matthew 9:9)”

    Did “Matthew” write this about himself? Why then didn’t Matthew write for example: “he (Jesus) saw ME, and my name is Matthew. I was sitting at the receipt of custom…” etc.

    CENON BIBE:
    IF YOU CHOOSE to USE THAT as a BASIS for NOT BELIEVING in the BIBLE, then YOU WOULD NO LONGER HAVE ANY REASON to BELIEVE in the QURAN.

    SO MANY CONTRADICTIONS would COME OUT OF THE QURAN, if you use that basis.

    ONE GLARING CONTRADICTION would be the CLAIM that it was “JIBRIL” who “REVEALED” the QURAN to MUHAMMAD.

    “JIBRIL” NEVER SPOKE in the FIRST PERSON in the QURAN, which according to your criterion PROVES that HE NEVER REVEALED ANY PART of your holy book.

    One good example is SURAH 53:4-8. It reads:

    It is only a Revelation revealed.
    He has been taught (this Qur’an) by one mighty in power [Jibril (Gabriel)]
    One free from any defect in body and mind then he (Jibril – Gabriel in his real shape as created by Allah) rose and became stable.
    While he [Jibril (Gabriel)] was in the highest part of the horizon, (Tafsir Ibn Kathir)
    hen he [Jibril (Gabriel)] approached and came closer,

    NOTICE that JIBRIL was REFERRED TO in the THIRD PERSON (similar to your point with Matthew).

    Based on YOUR CRITERION, JIBRIL SHOULD have SPOKEN in the FIRST PERSON if it was indeed JIBRIL who revealed the QURAN.

    So, ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN CRITERION, the QURAN is NOT FROM GOD and SHOULD NOT BE BELIEVED.

    • [defenderben] says:

      You had a bad understanding again, Cenon.

      • BAD UNDERSTANDING?

        Then WHY CAN’T YOU REFUTE or DISPUTE WHAT I SAID?

        Just ADMIT that YOUR QURAN FAILED in YOUR OWN CRITERION.

        NEXT TIME, STOP INVENTING CRITERIA. IT ONLY EXPOSES THE DEFECTS of YOUR BELIEFS.

  4. BASED ALSO on YOUR CRITERION, IT WOULD NOW APPEAR that the QURAN is FULL OF LIES.

    Why?

    Because MANY TIMES, ALLAH was DEPICTED as SPEAKING IN THE FIRST PERSON when IN FACT (ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN BELIEF) ALLAH NEVER SPOKE DIRECTLY to MUHAMMAD to REVEAL the QURAN.

    SURAH 2:23

    And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which WE have sent down (i.e. the Qur’an) to OUR slave (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), then produce a Surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah, if you are truthful.

    In this surah, ALLAH supposedly SPEAKS in the FIRST PERSON.

    WHY IS THAT?

    YOU KNOW VERY WELL that ALLAH NEVER TALKED DIRECTLY TO MUHAMMAD. So, HOW CAN THIS VERSE be in the FIRST PERSON when IT WAS NOT ALLAH SPEAKING to YOUR PROPHET?

    It would APPEAR that THIS PART of the QURAN is LYING because IT MAKES IT APPEAR that IT WAS ALLAH SPEAKING when HE NEVER SPOKE DIRECTLY to MUHAMMAD.

    SEE the BIG PROBLEM that YOUR CRITERION has BROUGHT TO THE QURAN?

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    Now, there are instances when ALLAH was DEPICTED in the THIRD PERSON which ONLY MEANT (ACCORDING TO YOU) that HE DID NOT REVEAL the QURAN.

    SURAH 2:28

    How can you disbelieve in Allah? seeing that you were dead and He gave you life. Then He will give you death, then again will bring you to life (on the Day of Resurrection) and then unto Him you will return (See V.40:11)

    SEE?

    Although this SURAH might AGREE with the MUSLIM’S BELIEF that JIBRIL REVEALED the QURAN, IT CONTRADICTS with the CLAIM of MUSLIMS that it was ALLAH who REVEALED their BOOK.

    IF WE TRY to BELIEVE the CLAIM that ALLAH REVEALED the QURAN, THEN THIS and ALL OTHER VERSES in the QURAN should have been IN THE FIRST PERSON.

    Now, SEEING TWO DIFFERENT SETS of the QURAN where in one Allah supposedly speaks in the FIRST PERSON and the other Allah supposedly SPEAKS in the THIRD PERSON, WE ALSO SEE GRAVE INCONSISTENCIES and CONTRADICTIONS in the QURAN.

    So, YOUR CRITERION indeed GIVES MORE PROBLEM to the QURAN than to the BIBLE.

    • [defenderben] says:

      Jibreel/Gabriel just taught the Prophet (pbuh) the Qur’an. The exact word of God, no more, no less.

      Sorry, but the Qur’an is NOT revealed just the way you want it be.

      Whether in the different passages He (swt) is addressed in 1st or third person, it do not matter. Those passages are the exact Words He (swt) instructed to be memorized by Muhammad (pbuh).

      Note also that Jibreel has no word of his own in the Qur’an. Jibreel did not contribute even a single word or letter in it. 🙂

      • CENON BIBE:
        So, YOU ARE SAYING that GOD REALLY DOES NOT KNOW GRAMMAR?

        EVEN WHAT HE TOLD “JIBRIL” to TELL YOUR PROPHET was WRONG GRAMMAR?

        WHY DO YOU INSULT YOUR GOD LIKE THAT?

        It was NOT I WHO INVENTED the CRITERION that the AUTHOR of the BOOK SHOULD SPEAK in the FIRST PERSON.

        YOU MUSLIMS INVENTED THAT ONE, RIGHT? Are you now DISPUTING YOUR OWN CRITERION just because IT HAS PROVED YOUR QURAN DEFECTIVE?

        THAT’S THE PROBLEM with INVENTIONS. THEY HAVE A WAY of HITTING YOU RIGHT IN THE EGO.

        FUNNY, RIGHT? HEHEHE

  5. defenderben said:
    Did “Matthew” write this about himself? Why then didn’t Matthew write for example: “he (Jesus) saw ME, and my name is Matthew. I was sitting at the receipt of custom…” etc.

    CENON BIBE:
    YES, it was MATTHEW who WROTE the GOSPEL ATTRIBUTED TO HIM.

    But WHY the THIRD PERSON in Matthew 9?

    MATTHEW SIMPLY USED the THIRD PERSON NARRATIVE.

    The USE of the THIRD PERSON is a LITERARY TOOL EMPLOYED by WRITERS to TELL STORIES that INCORPORATE DETAILS from OTHER SOURCES. This is called a THIRD PERSON NARRATIVE.

    As you can see, MATTHEW TOLD MANY THINGS that HE HIMSELF DID NOT WITNESS, like the REVELATION to JOSEPH about the BIRTH of the LORD JESUS (Matthew 1:20-21).

    MATTHEW LEARNED of that TRUTH from WITNESSES THEMSELVES and HE WANTED to INCLUDE THIS in HIS NARRATION so HE HAD TO USE the THIRD PERSON NARRATIVE. HE COULD NOT have USED the FIRST PERSON since HE COULD NOT CLAIM FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE about the REVELATION to JOSEPH. Thus, the LITERARY TOOL called THIRD PERSON NARRATIVE.

    IT is actually THAT SIMPLE.

  6. defenderben said:
    Please visit: Just who were the original authors of the Bible? to see the book’s bibliography to the above quotes.

    Also, why don’t you visit: Contradictions and proofs of Historical Corruptions in the Bible, and see exactly what I mean, instead of acting like a total fool and saying things that even the Bible refutes in it!

    CENON BIBE:
    I HAVE RESEARCHED WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DRIVE AT and SORRY to TELL YOU that YOU MISUNDERSTAND YOUR OWN POINT.

    Also, THERE ARE NO CONTRADICTIONS in the BIBLE.

    What is ABUNDANT is IGNORANCE about the CONTEXT and the HISTORY of the HOLY BOOK.

    MOST PEOPLE who THINK that there are CONTRADICTIONS or CORRUPTIONS in the BIBLE are ACTUALLY MISLED by OTHER PEOPLE who READ the BIBLE VERSES OUT OF CONTEXT.

    IF YOU VISIT MY BLOG at SAGOT SA BALIK ISLAM, YOU WILL FIND OUT THE TRUTH.

    YOU can ALSO CHECK OUT this LINK: BIBLIA KONTRA-KONTRA BA?.

  7. [defenderben] says:

    CENON BIBE:
    Are you referring to the SAME HADITH which YOU EARLIER SAID was UNRELIABLE and CONTRADICTORY?
    HOW do we KNOW if this HADITH

    CENON BIBE:

    YOUR EXPLANATION DOES NOT REMOVE the MISTAKE in the BIOLOGICAL SISTERHOOD of MARY with AARON.
    While the term “Son of …” was used by the Israelites, it was to refer to their PARENTAGE and ANCESTRAL LINEAGE. Thus, Jesus was called “son of David.” David was the ancestor of Jesus.
    Good examples of this are:
    1. Matthew 1:1 “This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:”
    2. Matthew 1:20 “But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David …”
    In these examples, it is CLEARLY SHOWN that “SON OF” shows ANCESTRAL LINEAGE.
    For DIRECT SONSHIP, examples are:
    1. Matthew 4:21 “Going on from there, he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John …”
    2. Matthew 10:3 “… James son of Alphaeus …”
    On the other hand, the term “SISTER OF AARON” is a direct reference to their being BIOLOGICAL BROTHER and SISTER. That is why IT IS CLEAR when MARY was called as the “SISTER OF AARON,” it was to DECLARE that SHE is the BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AARON.
    Examples of that are:
    1. John 11:39 “Martha, the sister of the dead man [Lazarus].”
    2. Genesis 28:9 “… Mahalath, the sister of Nebaioth … ”
    These DIRECTLY SHOW BIOLOGICAL SISTERHOOD and BROTHERHOOD.
    In the case of “the brother of …”, here are examples which SHOW DIRECT BROTHERHOOD.
    1. Genesis 28:5 “… Bethuel the Aramean, the brother of Rebekah …”
    2. Samuel 23:24 “Among the Thirty were: Asahel the brother of Joab …”
    3. Mark 5:37 “He did not let anyone follow him except Peter, James and John the brother of James.
    NOWHERE will YOU FIND ANY INSTANCE where “SISTER OF” or “BROTHER OF” are used to refer to ANCESTRAL LINEAGE. THESE ONLY REFER to DIRECT BROTHERHOOD or DIRECT SISTERHOOD.
    Now, DIRECT BROTHERHOOD or DIRECT SISTERHOOD is STRESSED when the “SISTER” or “BROTHER” is also called “DAUGHTER OF” their BIOLOGICAL FATHER.
    Examples of this are:
    1. Genesis 25:20 “Rebekah daughter of Bethuel the Aramean from Paddan Aram and sister of Laban the Aramean.
    2. 2Samuel 17:25 “… Abigail, the daughter of Nahash and sister of Zeruiah …”
    In cases where a person is called “SISTER OF” a PERSON and “DAUGHTER OF” that PERSON’S PARENT, the DIRECT BIOLOGICAL SISTERHOOD is STRESSED.
    And THAT CLEARLY SHOWS the MISTAKE of MARY BEING DEPICTED as the BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AARON.
    In the QURAN, MARY was DEPICTED as BOTH “SISTER OF” AARON and “DAUGHTER OF” IMRAAN, the FATHER of AARON.
    “O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste!”
    – Sura 19:27-28
    And Mary, the daughter of `Imran, …
    – Sura 66:12
    SEE? JUST LIKE the PRACTICE of the ISRAELITES, the QURAN also CALLED MARY the “SISTER OF AARON” and the “DAUGHTER OF IMRAAN.”
    IT IS SO CLEAR that MARY is DEPICTED as the BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AARON and the BIOLOGICAL DAUGHTER of AARON’S FATHER, IMRAAN.
    The MISTAKE CANNOT BE DENIED.
    ———

    Reply:
    Oops Oops . . . Sorry too. “Mary the Sister of Aaron thing” is cleared and not an error.
    It was just a figure of speech as the Prophet (pbuh) has said. She (Mary) was not a biological sister of Aaron (pbuh). Remember that your Bible is written by the lying pens of the scribes.

    “`How can you say, “We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?’ (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)“

    The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)“

    It is not something like these:

    II Samuel 10:18 talks about David slew the men of 700 chariots of the Syrians and 40,000 horsemen and Shobach the commander.
    I Chronicles 1:18 says that David slew the men of 7000 chariots and 40,000 footmen

    I Chronicles 9:25 says that Solomon had 4000 stalls for horses and chariots.
    I Kings 4:26 says that he had 40,000 stalls for horses

    Ezra 2:5 talks about an exile Arah having 775 sons.
    Nehemiah 7:10 talks about the same exile Arah having 652 sons.

    II Samuel 24:13 So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?
    I Chronicles 21:11 SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;

    How did Judas die?
    “And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself.” (Matthew 27:5)
    “And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out.” (Acts 1:18)

    2 Samuel 6:23 Therefore MICHAL the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
    2 Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of MICHAL the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite.

    2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother’s name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
    2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

    26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8
    36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chronicles 16:1

    How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
    22 in 2 Kings 8:26
    42 in 2 Chronicle 22:2

    Who was Josiah’s successor?
    Jehoahaz – 2 Chronicle 36:1
    Shallum – Jeremiah 22:11

    Nice trick. But your attack do not work. Better add a new one, Cenon.

    Point by point question: Is Jesus (of the Bible) is a “direct biological” son of David as you are pointing that (in the Qur’an) Mary (mother of Jesus) is a “direct biological” sister of Aaron (making the Qur’an having an error with this respect)?

    • DEFENDERBEN SAID:
      Oops Oops . . . Sorry too. “Mary the Sister of Aaron thing” is cleared and not an error.
      It was just a figure of speech as the Prophet (pbuh) has said. She (Mary) was not a biological sister of Aaron (pbuh). Remember that your Bible is written by the lying pens of the scribes.

      CENON BIBE:
      Ooops! You yourself said that YOU DO NOT BELIEVE that MARY is the SISTER of AARON.

      So, HOW CAN QURAN 19:28 be correct when YOU YOURSELF ADMIT that MARY IS NOT THE SISTER of AARON?

      What? It was a figure of speech of your prophet?

      Now, YOU ARE ADMITTING that THE QURAN CONTAINS WORDS of YOUR PROPHET and NOT OF GOD?

      THANK YOU. YOUR BROTHER (ALYAS POGI) claimed that the QURAN DOES NOT CONTAIN WORDS of MEN. Now, IT COMES DIRECTLY FROM YOU that the QURAN CONTAINS the WORDS of YOU PROPHET.

      And WHY are you BLAMING the BIBLE for the ERROR in QURAN 19:28?

      NEVER does the BIBLE MAKE the ERROR that MARY IS THE SISTER of AARON?

      YOU CAN NO LONGER DEFEND the ERROR in QURAN 19:28 so YOU ARE BLAMING the BIBLE that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT MISTAKE?

      BAD EXCUSE, BEN.

      Again, since YOU ARE UNABLE to REFUTE the BIG ERROR in QURAN 19:28, YOU are RESORTING to REPEATING FALSE CLAIMS of CONTRADICTIONS in the BIBLE.

      YOUR FEAR of ACCEPTING MY CHALLENGE has THROWN OUT ALL YOUR FALSE CLAIMS.

      YOU KNOW SO WELL that ALL YOUR CLAIMS are FALSE and UNTRUE. THAT is WHY YOU are SO AFRAID to ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE.

      EVERYBODY READING our DISCUSSION KNOWS THAT ALREADY.

      • What a foolish tactic? Yeah, I do not believe that she was a sister bilologically to Aaron. And I do believe that she was a sister in faith to Aaron.

        Wala ka na bang ibang mas matinding mai-aatake sa Islam? Gusto mo tulungan kita?

      • DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        What a foolish tactic? Yeah, I do not believe that she was a sister bilologically to Aaron. And I do believe that she was a sister in faith to Aaron.

        CENON BIBE:
        THANK YOU. YOU ARE CONFIRMING that QURAN 19:28 is WRONG in SAYING that MARY IS THE SISTER of AARON.

        DOES the QURAN SAY that “MARY IS THE SISTER OF AARON IN FAITH”?

        NO. THAT is YOUR ADDITION or INSERTION to the TEXT.

        QURAN 19:28 is CLEARLY STATING that MARY is a BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AARON. PROOF is that IT ALSO MENTIONED HER SUPPOSED FATHER.

        Quran 19:28 says:
        “O sister (i.e. the like) of Harun (aaron) ! Your father was not a man who used to commit adultery, nor your mother was an unchaste woman.”

        QURAN 19:28 CLEARLY STATES the “FATHER” of MARY. WHO is the “FATHER” of MARY, according to the QURAN?

        The QURAN says her supposed “FATHER” is “IMRAN. In QURAN 66:12, it says:
        “And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of ‘Imran who guarded her chastity. “

        And WHO is this IMRAN?

        HE is the FATHER of AARON.

        So, IT IS CLEAR that QURAN 19:28 is STATING MARY as the BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AARON, who is also a SON of IMRAN.

        YOU say that THIS IS “FOOLISH”?

        Of COURSE! IT IS FOOLISH to STATE that MARY IS THE SISTER of AARON. THEY LIVES HUNDREDS of YEARS APART. HOW CAN THEY BE BIOLOGICAL BROTHER and SISTER?

        +++

        DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        Wala ka na bang ibang mas matinding mai-aatake sa Islam? Gusto mo tulungan kita?

        CENON BIBE:
        HINDI KO KAILANGANG ATAKIHIN ang ISLAM. KAYO na MISMO ang NAGPAPAKITA ng mga KAMALIAN NIYAN.

        ANO naman ang ITUTULONG MO sa AKIN?

        HINDI MO NGA MAPABULAANAN ang KAMALIAN na SISTER of AARON daw MARY, di ba?

        HINDI MO NGA MATANGGIHAN na MALI ang “AS SAMIRI” sa PANAHON ni MOISES, di ba?

        Ni HINDI MO nga MAPATUNAYAN na MAY SALITA NG DIYOS sa QURAN, di ba?

        ANO ang ITUTULONG MO sa AKIN?

  8. [defenderben] says:

    Been busy these days. I cannot address point by point all your weak attacks.

    • Busy? Or YOU HAVE RUN OUT of EXCUSES to DISPUTE the ERROR in QURAN 19:28?

      And HOW CAN YOU DISPUTE that ERROR? YOU YOURSELF have DECLARED that MARY IS NOT THE SISTER OF AARON.

      YOU YOURSELF have REJECTED the ERROR in QURAN 19:28.

      • My DECLARATIONS:

        1. Mary pbuh is NOT a biological sister of Aaron pbuh.
        2. The phrase in Quran 19:28 saying “O sister of Aaron” do not literally mean she was a biological sister of him as pointed by a reliable Hadith:

        Mughira b. Shu’ba reported: “When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read “O sister of Harun (Aaron)” (i. e. Mary) in the Qur’an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them.

          (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 025, Number 5326)“
      • DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        1. Mary pbuh is NOT a biological sister of Aaron pbuh.

        CENON BIBE:
        THANK YOU. YOU AGAIN CONTRADICTED QURAN 19:28 which states that MARY IS THE SISTER of AARON and QURAN 66:12 that MARY is the DAUGHTER of IMRAN, the FATHER of AARON.

        +++

        DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        2. The phrase in Quran 19:28 saying “O sister of Aaron” do not literally mean she was a biological sister of him as pointed by a reliable Hadith:

        CENON BIBE:
        YOUR “RELIABLE” HADITH DOES NOT REFUTE the CLAIM of QURAN 19:28 that MARY is the SISTER of AARON.

        SO WHAT if “The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them”?

        IT DOES NOT DENY the CLAIM of QURAN 19:28 that MARY IS THE SISTER of AARON.

        YOUR HADITH even MAKES ANOTHER MISTAKE. IT MAKES IT APPEAR that AARON is one of the “APOSTLES.” HE IS NOT.

        YOUR HADITH also CONTRADICTS YOUR EXCUSES. YOU SAY that AARON was an “ANCESTOR” of MARY. But YOUR HADITH DOES NOT MENTION RELATIVES.

        TUTULUNGAN MO BA AKO?

        Ni HINDI MO NAUUNAWAAN ang SINASABI ng HADITH NINYO e, di ba?

  9. [Ben] says:

    START.

    According to Cenon’s point from above, ‘Jesus, son of David’ only means that Jesus traced his ancestry from David.
    Using his point, it is safe to say phrases like:

    (1) ‘Mary, daughter of Abraham,’ and
    (2) ‘Aaron, son of Abraham.’

    (Since both of them, Mary and Aaron, has a common ancestors like Abraham.)

    PAUSE . . . . MOVING ON.

    From the two, it is further safe to say that:

    (1) ‘Aaron, brother of Mary,’ and
    (2) ‘Mary, sister of Aaron!’

    BULL’S EYE!

    Cenon, just validate and confirmed the truthfulness of the Qur’an.

    Note: Bible did not literally state that the figure of speech is ONLY limited to ‘____, son/daughter of ____’; and NOT EXTENDED to ‘____, brother/sister of _____’.

    END.

    – [defenderben] / Blog Root Administrator

    • I said, that is based on what you said that, the reason behind the Biblical phrase “Jesus, son of David” is: Jesus just tracED back his ancestry to David. So, it is also safe to say using “tracing back the ancestry from ______”

      [Note: You have NO RIGHT to used any Biblical passage in favor to you when it comes to a discussion/debate between us since u have not cleared all the Bible contradictions and absurdities.]

      examples using “tracing back . . . . ”

      * ‘Mary, daughter of Abraham’ and
      * ‘Aaron, son of Abraham.’

      So, Mary and Aaron (peace and blessing be upon them) are sister-brother to each other with reference to their relation to Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him).

      X-X-X-X

      The Bible Declares:

      “All scripture is given by inspiration of God.” (2 Timothy 3:16)

      “As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless….” (2 Samuel 22:31)

      “And the words of the LORD are flawless….” (Psalm 12:6)

      “As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless….” (Psalm 18:30)

      “Every word of God is flawless….” (Proverbs 30:5)

      Ample other Errors:

      The following errors are my filtered and chosen ones from among the some of the alleged ones on the internet. Please check and verify the “error” brothers and sisters before you decide to declare it an error. From my experience, some of the alleged errors are absurd, and this will further hurt our cause. Quality and not quantity is what matters. The following ones are ones that I verified:

      1- Scientific Absurdities:

      Proverbs 6:6-8, ants have no commander, no ruler and no overseer! This is absurdly false, because ants live in colonies and ranks of rulership and authority. And they have a queen.

      Compare this falsehood to the Holy Quran’s Scientific Miracle about the ants ranks and 4 layers of communications which scientists today have recently confirmed: Ants do indeed talk to each others as the Holy Quran Stated!

      Revelations 12:1-9, the dragon will enter heaven and wage war with the angels! It is a classic fairy tale from a magical world.

      Matthew 27:51-53, the resurrection of the dead at crucifixion is not mentioned by three gospels, and is considered a fairy tale according to Bibles’ commentaries.

      Judges 9:7-16, trees voted for their own King. Judges 9:8 “The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them.”

      Carm.org said: “The Bible contains many different styles of writing such as poetry, narration, fiction, history, law, and prophecy and must be interpreted in context of those styles.”

      Leviticus 11:20-23, “All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you.” No insect with four legs exists. Insects have six legs and six feet.

      Leviticus 11:6 “The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you.” Rabbits, are lagomorphs, not ruminants; they do not chew the cud.

      The earth is flat, has four corners, is standing on pillars that prevent it from shaking, and is immovable. (1 Samuel 2:8, Job 9:6, Job 38:4, Isaiah 11:12, Revelation 7:1, Job 38:13, Jeremiah 16:19, Daniel 4:11, Psalm 93:1-3, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5, 1 Chronicles 16:30, Matthew 4:8)

      Daniel 4:10-11 declares the earth is flat, “10 These are the visions I saw while lying in my bed: I looked, and there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was enormous. 11 The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth.”

      Matthew 13:31-32 “He (Jesus) told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. Though it is the smallest of all your seeds,” The mustard seed is not the smallest of all seeds. Others, such as the orchid seed, are smaller.

      Mark 16:18 “they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.” Christians so bothered by the falsehood of this verse due to the many fatalities they suffered because of it, that the Bible theologians insist on denying these verses by saying: “The most reliable early manuscript and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20.” [1] [2].

      John 12:24 “I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds.” That is scientifically false. The dead seed does not produce new seeds.

      James 5:3 gold and silver do rust.

      Genesis 1:16, GOD Almighty created two lamps, the sun and the moon, each giving an independent light to earth. The Hebrew says “two lamps”, meaning each giving off its independent light. Visit: http://biblelexicon.org/genesis/1-16.htm.

      Leviticus 12:2-5, a female causes double the pollution when she’s born than that of a boy. The mother remains unclean for 66 days after birth of a female instead of 33 days if she gives birth to a male.

      Please visit: How do the Bible and the Noble Quran view women?

      1 Corinthians 2:15 The spiritual leader is above the law; he is the supreme Law! He “The spiritual man makes judgment about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment.”

      The problem with this verse is that it is absurd at best, because the Christian spiritual leaders of all denominations are historically notorious in getting exposed with too much scandals in corruption, stealing, misusing the donations to themselves, prostitutions, homosexuality, too much pedophilia, and even war mongering and persecutions. So how can any man of any faith, who as a human can go astray any time, be above and beyond the Law that he himself is even looked at and is treated as the Supreme Law?

      1 Kings 11:4 “As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods.”

      2 Kings 23:12-14
      12 He pulled down the altars the kings of Judah had erected on the roof near the upper room of Ahaz, and the altars Manasseh had built in the two courts of the temple of the LORD. He removed them from there, smashed them to pieces and threw the rubble into the Kidron Valley.
      13 The king also desecrated the high places that were east of Jerusalem on the south of the Hill of Corruption—the ones Solomon king of Israel had built for Ashtoreth the vile goddess of the Sidonians, for Chemosh the vile god of Moab, and for Molech the detestable god of the people of Ammon.
      14 Josiah smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles and covered the sites with human bones.

      King Solomon was one of the Bible’s Prophets with several books written by him. This verse proves that he never believed that he was a Prophet, nor was he ever inspired by GOD Almighty, which means that the Bible’s books are not the True Word of GOD Almighty.

      Please visit: Solomon and the idols for more verses.

      Note: Prophet Solomon of Islam is different from the false prophet of the corrupt bible.

      Voodoo practices in the Bible that originate from pagan practices in ancient Egypt and Palestine:

      Leviticus 14:49-53
      49 take two birds and some cedar wood, scarlet yarn and hyssop.
      50 He shall kill one of the birds over fresh water in a clay pot.
      51 Then he is to take the cedar wood, the hyssop, the scarlet yarn and the live bird, dip them into the blood of the dead bird and the fresh water, and sprinkle the house seven times.
      52 He shall purify the house with the bird’s blood, the fresh water, the live bird, the cedar wood, the hyssop and the scarlet yarn.
      53 Then he is to release the live bird in the open fields outside the town. In this way he will make atonement for the house, and it will be clean.”

      Leviticus 14:14
      14 The priest is to take some of the blood of the guilt offering and put it on the lobe of the right ear of the one to be cleansed, on the thumb of his right hand and on the big toe of his right foot.

      Lying is propagated and promoted in both the Old and New Testaments.

      1 Samuel 16:1-13, GOD Almighty commanded Samuel to LIE and say that he came to sacrifice for the LORD, when in reality he came to anoint David.

      Romans 3:1-8, Paul admitted that he lied and that he resorted to lying for the sake of spreading GOD Almighty’s Truth: “But if our unrighteousness brings out God’s righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world? Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” Why not say—as we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say—”Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is deserved.”

      Philippians 1:15-18, Paul said that the end justifies the means even through false motives and lies: “But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.”

      2- Textual and Historical Contradictions:

      From http://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm:

      2 Samuel 10:18 – David slew 700 and 40,000 horsemen and Shobach the commander.
      1 Chronicles 19:18 – David slew 7000 chariots and 40,000 footmen.

      2 Chronicles 9:25 – Solomon had 4000 stalls for horses and chariots.
      1 Kings 4:26 – Solomon had 40,000 stalls for horses.

      Ezra 2:5 – Arah had 775 sons.
      Nehemiah 7:10 – Arah had 652 sons.

      2 Samuel 24:13 – SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE.
      1 Chronicles 21:11-12 – THREE YEARS OF FAMINE.

      How did Judas die?
      Matthew 27:5 – Hanged himself.
      Acts 1:18 – And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out.

      2 Samuel 6:23 – MICHAL never had a child until she died.
      2 Samuel 21:8 – MICHAL had 5 sons.

      2 Kings 24:8 – Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began to reign.
      2 Chronicles 36:9 – Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign.

      1 Kings 16:6-8 – 26th year of the reign of Asa, Baasha reigned over Israel.
      2 Chronicles 16:1 – 36th year of the reign of Asa, Baasha reigned over Israel.

      How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
      22 in 2 Kings 8:26
      42 in 2 Chronicle 22:2

      Who was Josiah’s successor?
      Jehoahaz – 2 Chronicle 36:1
      Shallum – Jeremiah 22:11

      Again, the Bible Declares:

      “All scripture is given by inspiration of God.” (2 Timothy 3:16)

      “As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless….” (2 Samuel 22:31)

      “And the words of the LORD are flawless….” (Psalm 12:6)

      “As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless….” (Psalm 18:30)

      “Every word of God is flawless….” (Proverbs 30:5)

      These True Statements undoubtedly prove that the Bible is corrupt!

      Source: Answering-Christianity.com

      • DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        examples using “tracing back . . . . ”

        * ‘Mary, daughter of Abraham’ and
        * ‘Aaron, son of Abraham.’

        CENON BIBE:
        And WHERE DID the BIBLE USE those TRACE BACKS that YOU USED?

        Please STOP INVENTING VERSES just because YOU CANNOT DISPROVE YOUR ERROR that MARY IS THE SISTER OF AARON.

        +++

        DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        1- Scientific Absurdities:

        Proverbs 6:6-8, ants have no commander, no ruler and no overseer! This is absurdly false, because ants live in colonies and ranks of rulership and authority. And they have a queen.

        CENON BIBE:
        You mean that is more absurd than A MAN HEARING ANTS TALK and TALKING TO THEM?

        HAVE YOU READ QURAN 27:18-19?

        YOU MAKE ME LAUGH WITH YOUR CLAIMS OF ABSURDITY. YOU FAIL to SEE the TRULY ABSURD.

        PROVE to ME that ANTS RUN AWAY when SOMEONE COMES MARCHING BY. THAT is an ABSURD CLAIM.

        TRY WALKING ON AN ANT’S MOUND and SEE if THEY WILL RUN AWAY. YOU WILL PROVE the ABSURDITY of ANTS SHOUTING and RUNNING AWAY.

        Regarding Prov 6:6-8. A QUEEN is NOT A CHIEF or COMMANDER of the ANTS. A QUEEN is an ANT’S MOTHER, whom IT SERVES. A QUEEN DOES NOT GIVE OUT ORDERS.

        Or DID YOUR PROPHET ALSO HEAR a QUEEN ANT GIVE ORDERS to HER CHILDREN?

        +++

        DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        Compare this falsehood to the Holy Quran’s Scientific Miracle about the ants ranks and 4 layers of communications which scientists today have recently confirmed: Ants do indeed talk to each others as the Holy Quran Stated!

        CENON BIBE:
        Do you mean the SCIENTIFIC FINDING that ANTS COMMUNICATE NOT BY WORDS but by CHEMICAL and VISUAL MEANS?

        WHERE DOES the QURAN SAY THAT?

        Let us READ QURAN 27:18-19 to SEE if the Quran is correct in that:

        QURAN 27:18-19
        Till, when they came to the valley of the ants, one of the ants said: “O ants! Enter your dwellings, lest Sulaiman (Solomon) and his hosts should crush you, while they perceive not.”

        So he [Sulaiman (Solomon)] smiled, amused at her speech and said: “My Lord! Grant me the power and ability that I may be grateful for Your Favours which You have bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I may do righteous good deeds that will please You, and admit me by Your Mercy among Your righteous slaves.”

        DOESN’T YOUR QURAN CLAIM that ANTS USE WORDS in COMMUNICATING?

        So, WHERE is the SCIENTIFIC PROOF that ANTS USE WORDS?

        What SCIENCE PROVES is that ANTS DON’T USE WORDS. SCIENCE CONTRADICTS THE QURAN. RIGHT?

        So, WHERE IS THE SCIENTIFIC MIRACLE that YOU ARE CLAIMING?

        PLEASE STOP DREAMING.

        +++

        DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        Revelations 12:1-9, the dragon will enter heaven and wage war with the angels! It is a classic fairy tale from a magical world.

        Matthew 27:51-53, the resurrection of the dead at crucifixion is not mentioned by three gospels, and is considered a fairy tale according to Bibles’ commentaries

        CENON BIBE:
        AGAIN, YOU RESORT to ABSURD and MINDLESS ATTACKS.

        ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE that IF I PROVE ONE OF YOUR ATTACKS as FALSE then YOU WILL ADMIT that ALL YOUR CLAIMS are FALSE.

        YOU ARE SO AFRAID to be PROVEN WRONG.

      • Here’s one of your weak defense:

        While the term “Son of …” was used by the Israelites, it was to refer to their PARENTAGE and ANCESTRAL LINEAGE. Thus, Jesus was called “son of David.” David was the ancestor of Jesus.(2012/03/15 at 10:45 PM)

        So, where in the words of “your God” (aka Bible) that it says: “the term “Son of …” was used by the Israelites, it was to refer to their PARENTAGE and ANCESTRAL LINEAGE. Thus, Jesus was called “son of David.” David was the ancestor of Jesus.” . . . Where? Where? Where?

        Me? I have the “reliable Hadith” to support my claim. You? NONE.

        Let’s know what will be your next lies.

        24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?

        Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
        Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)

        25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?

        Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
        No (Joshua 15:63)
        26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

        Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
        Hell (Luke 3:23)

        27. Jesus descended from which son of David?

        Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
        Nathan(Luke3:31)

        28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?

        Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
        Neri (Luke 3:27)

        29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?

        Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
        Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.
        30. Who was the father of Uzziah?

        Joram (Matthew 1:8)
        Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)

        31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?

        Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
        Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)

        32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?

        Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
        But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)

        33. Who was the father of Shelah?

        Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
        Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)

        *Ah, I bit you never knew that Solomon peace be upon him was given an ability to understand all the animals of the world even the jinns.

      • DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        So, where in the words of “your God” (aka Bible) that it says: “the term “Son of …” was used by the Israelites, it was to refer to their PARENTAGE and ANCESTRAL LINEAGE. Thus, Jesus was called “son of David.” David was the ancestor of Jesus.” . . . Where? Where? Where?

        CENON BIBE:
        Matthew 1:1
        An account of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

        IF YOU DO NOT KNOW, GENEALOGY refers to ANCESTRAL LINEAGE.

        Please ASK MORE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS NEXT TIME.

        Thank you.

        YOU’RE BACK to YOUR MINDLESS ENUMERATION of SUPPOSED CONTRADICTIONS ini the BIBLE.

        YOU CANNOT ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE, RIGHT?

        YOU KNOW YOU WOULD BE HUMILIATED by YOUR FALSE CLAIMS.

        At least, ALL WHO READ our DISCUSSION SEE CLEARLY that YOU ARE SCARED TO ACCEPT my CHALLENGE.

      • I have nothing against the phrase “Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham” coz i think it has something to do with what the Last Prophet has said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them.

        Bad defense that you did Cenon. Where in the Bible I said that: “the term “Son of …” was used by the Israelites, it was to refer to their PARENTAGE and ANCESTRAL LINEAGE. Thus, Jesus was called “son of David.” David was the ancestor of Jesus.” I did not ask you to give the genealogy of Jesus to me.

      • DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        I have nothing against the phrase “Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham” coz i think it has something to do with what the Last Prophet has said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them.

        CENON BIBE:
        YOU MUST BE CONFUSED, BEN.

        WHAT is the CONNECTION between the ANCESTRY of THE LORD JESUS with NAMING people after APOSTLES or PIOUS PERSONS?

        THERE IS NO CONNECTION, BEN.

        +++

        DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        Bad defense that you did Cenon. Where in the Bible I said that: “the term “Son of …” was used by the Israelites, it was to refer to their PARENTAGE and ANCESTRAL LINEAGE. Thus, Jesus was called “son of David.” David was the ancestor of Jesus.” I did not ask you to give the genealogy of Jesus to me.

        CENON BIBE:
        Bad defense?

        My defense is EXCELLENT. In fact, YOU CANNOT REFUTE IT and now YOU ARE FORCED to CLAIM IGNORANCE about the meaning of GENEALOGY.

        Allow me to EDUCATE YOU on the MEANING of GENEALOGY. Here is the definition of DICTIONARY.COM:

        1. a record or account of the ancestry and descent of a person, family, group, etc.
        2. the study of family ancestries and histories.
        3. descent from an original form or progenitor; lineage; ancestry.

        DOES THAT SATISFY YOUR IGNORANCE?

        If YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS about the MEANING of GENEALOGY, please just ask me and I WILL EDUCATE YOU SOME MORE.

      • IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE that the BIBLE IS “CORRUPT” then YOU SHOULD HAVE ACCEPTED MY CHALLENGE LONG AGO.

        The FACT that YOU HAVE AVOIDED MY CHALLENGE ONLY PROVES that YOU YOURSELF DOUBT YOUR CLAIMS.

        READERS of THIS DISCUSSION SEE THAT CLEARLY.

  10. [Ben] says:

    You are wrong again Cenon about that. Just like your (Christians) understanding that,

    Ezra 2:5 talks about an exile Arah having 775 sons.
    Nehemiah 7:10 talks about the same exile Arah having 652 sons.

    has no contradiction.

    Cenon, Is 775 = 652, Yes or No?

    The brightness of contradictions of Bible is like the brightness of the sun in the midday hours of the sunny days. If you are a true man enough, ANSWER THAT.

    • ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE, BEN.

      IF YOU ACCEPT THAT ALL YOUR CLAIMS ARE TRUE, then ACCEPT that IF I PROVE ONE OF THEM AS FALSE, THEN ALL OF THEM ARE FALSE.

      WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID of ACCEPTING MY CHALLENGE?

      SIMPLE ANSWER: YOU KNOW YOU CLAIMS WILL PUT YOU TO SHAME.

      THERE ARE NOT CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE. ONLY IGNORANT MISUNDERSTANDING OF CRITICS.

      • Mag-post ka sa site mo, one-on-one tayo.

        Gusto ko ganito ang title:

        “Bible has Contradiction, Yes or No? : Cenon Bibe Jr vs Ben Langcuyan Jr”

        okey?

        email me ha: gang1033@yahoo.com

        Note: Kung sino matalo, mag-post siya na tinatanggap niya pagkatalo niya, ok?

      • PINAHIHIRAP MO PA E.

        ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE that IF I PROVE ONE OF YOUR CLAIMS as FALSE, then ALL YOUR CLAIMS are FALSE.

        TAKOT KA, di ba?

        ALAM MO MALI LAHAT ng mga PUNA MO e. TAMA?

  11. [Ben] says:

    You are just accusing that “she MUST be a biological sister of Aaron” para makapuntos ka sa akin. Sorry, you have no match against me! Prove to me, where the hell in Qur’an that says she was a “BIOLOGICAL” sister of Aaron. (Since you sound to want a literal explanation and proof.)

    For you, ‘Jesus, son of David’ means that Jesus was just a descendants of David because it was in the Bible, making the figure of speech to be disregarded.

    While, ‘Mary, sister of Aaron’ means literally a biological sister of Aaron because it was in the Qur’an and showing no respect to the figure of speech.

    Nice trick, but that will always NOT work when it comes to me, Cenon.

    THINK.

    • I HAVE PROVEN the ERROR that the QURAN PORTRAYS MARY as the BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AARON.

      APART from CALLING MARY “SISTER of AARON,” (SURAH 19:28) the QURAN also SAYS that MARY is the “DAUGHTER OF IMRAN.” (SURAH 66:12)

      IMRAN is the FATHER of AARON. (Exodus 6:20)

      So, the “DAUGHTER of IMRAN” is the “SISTER OF AARON.”

      MARY and AARON are PORTRAYED as BIOLOGICAL BROTHER AND SISTER.

      ERROR PROVED.

  12. [defenderben] says:

    Mary, is not a biological sister of Aaron.

    From the Qur’an:

    Let us look at Noble Verse 19:27-28 “At length she brought The (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: ‘O Mary ! Truly an amazing thing Hast thou brought ! O sister of Aaron ! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!’”

    From the reliable and authentic Hadith:

    Mughira b. Shu’ba reported: “When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read “O sister of Harun (Aaron)” (i. e. Mary) in the Qur’an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 025, Number 5326)“

    As we see above, the inquiry logically asked the Prophet (pbuh) about:

    (1) Why Mary is called sister of Aaron? and
    (2) Is Mary a biological sister of Aaron?

    The Prophet’s (pbuh) reply has logically meet the two:

    (1) Mary is called sister of Aaron because ‘The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them.’

    Meaning, the phrase ‘Oh Mary, sister of Aaron’ is just an example.

    (2) Mary is NOT a biological sister of Aaron (just because she was called sister of Aaron, literally).

    It is just a figure of speech, Cenon. Reality say that Mary is NOT a biological sister of Aaron. Even you and me cannot disprove that.

    The Prophet (pbuh) did delete or changed the Qur’anic phrase upon some groups of people seem to have a violent reaction against it. He even stand to it. See, it is still preserved.

    x——————————————————————————————————————–x

    Cenon, your point that, in the Hadith, the Prophet (pbuh) did NOT say LITERALLY that Mary is NOT a biological sister of Aaron, leaves the literal Qur’anic phrase to mean the ‘Mary is a biological sister Aaron.’

    You are wrong. Remember that the Prophet (pbuh) did not ALSO say LITERALLY that Mary is a biological sister Aaron’. Do not forget of that.

    x——————————————————————————————————————–x

    Another points. Bible did not literally state that the figure of speech is ONLY limited to ‘____, son/daughter of ____’; and NOT EXTENDED to ‘____, brother/sister of _____’.

    Note: That your another point that ‘____, brother/sister of _____’ is only limitedly use for direct biological brotherhood and sisterhood as the points according to you, DO NOT FORGET THAT THAT IS IN THE BIBLE – THE BOOK OF LIES. It is not in the Qur’an.

    x——————————————————————————————————————–x

    You deliberately mentioned clearly some direct biological relations from your Bible.

    Can you tell me, Who is the biological father of Joseph?

    MATTHEW 1:16 “Jacob was the father of Joseph”.
    Joseph was the husband of Mary,
    and Mary was the mother of Jesus.
    Jesus is called the Christ.
    LUKE 3:23 When Jesus began his ministry, he was about thirty years old. People thought that Jesus was Joseph’s son.
    “Joseph was the son of Heli”.

    New Century Version (NCV) / http://www.biblegateway.com/

    Is Jacob is also Heli?

    x——————————————————————————————————————–x

    • DEFENDERBEN SAID:
      (1) Mary is called sister of Aaron because ‘The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them.’

      CENON BIBE:
      Your RESPONSE DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.

      SO WHAT if “people of the old age … give names after the names of the Apostles and pious persons?

      How does that DISPROVE the ERROR in SURAH 19:28 that MARY is the SISTER OF AARON?

      YOU and YOUR PROPHET just GAVE an ANSWER that DOES NOT ANSWER the QUESTION. KUNWARI SUMAGOT pero HINDI NAMAN TUGMA sa TANONG.

      SEEMS LIKE “PALUSOT.” HINDI SAGOT.

      • It’s up to you.

      • THANKS. And NOW ALL WHO READ YOUR RESPONSE KNOWS that YOU CANNOT DISPROVE the ERROR that MARY IS THE SISTER OF AARON.

      • Let them decide. I do not care. like I do not care that for you all, it is just ok what is reaLLy the truth.

        12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?

        Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
        Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)

        Look, is 40, 000 = 4, 000? My answer is NO. I’m very familiar with simple mathematical statements for my course is agricultural engineering. like on the truth that dead seed do not germinate. aheeeemn. so what is your answer? (Look, is 40, 000 = 4, 000?) 😀

      • OOOPSS, WHY ARE YOU CHANGING the TOPIC?

        YOU CAN NO LONGER DISMISS the ERROR in QURAN 19:28 which says MARY IS THE SISTER OF AARON. RIGHT?

        YOU are DIVERTING the ISSUE because THE ERROR in QURAN 19:28 is UNDENIABLE.

        Now, TO PROVE that YOUR CLAIMS are FALSE, I WILL PROVE that THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION BETWEEN 1KINGS 4:26 and 2CHRONICLES 9:25.

        1KINGS 4:26 refers to ALL OF SOLOMON’S STALLS OF HORSES DURING HIS LIFETIME. 40,000 IS THE TOTAL.

        PROOF? READ 1KINGS 4:25 and 26

        25. During Solomon’s lifetime Judah and Israel lived in safety, from Dan even to Beer-sheba, all of them under their vines and fig trees.

        26. Solomon also had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

        2CHRONICLES 9:25 refers to STALLS in the CHARIOT CITIES and in JERUSALEM. 4,000 are those in these cities and in Jerusalem.

        25. Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horses, which he stationed in the chariot cities and with the king in Jerusalem.

        COMPARE that to 1KINGS 4:25 which talks about ALL OVER JUDAH and ISRAEL during HIS LIFETIME.

        SEE? The ERROR is IN YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING of the VERSES.

        YOU READ THEM OUT OF CONTEXT. THEY ARE TALKING of TWO DIFFERENT PERIODS in the LIFE of SOLOMON.

        And THAT PROVES that ALL OF YOUR CLAIMS are WRONG and FALSE.

    • DEFENDERBEN SAID:
      (2) Mary is NOT a biological sister of Aaron (just because she was called sister of Aaron, literally).

      CENON BIBE:
      NICE TRY but BAD TRY.

      MARY was NOT JUST CALLED “SISTER OF AARON” but SHE WAS ALSO CALLED “DAUGHTER of IMRAN,” who is AARON’S FATHER.

      CLEARLY, MARY was

      It is just a figure of speech, Cenon. Reality say that Mary is NOT a biological sister of Aaron. Even you and me cannot disprove that.

      The Prophet (pbuh) did delete or changed the Qur’anic phrase upon some groups of people seem to have a violent reaction against it. He even stand to it. See, it is still preserved.

      • DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        (2) Mary is NOT a biological sister of Aaron (just because she was called sister of Aaron, literally).

        CENON BIBE:
        NICE TRY but BAD TRY.

        MARY was NOT JUST CALLED “SISTER OF AARON” but SHE WAS ALSO CALLED “DAUGHTER of IMRAN,” who is AARON’S FATHER.

        CLEARLY, MARY was being PORTRAYED as AARON’S BIOLOGICAL SISTER. HOW ELSE can SHE BE the DAUGHTER of AARON’S BIOLOGICAL FATHER, IMRAM?

        +++

        DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        It is just a figure of speech, Cenon. Reality say that Mary is NOT a biological sister of Aaron. Even you and me cannot disprove that.

        CENON BIBE:
        NOW YOU ARE CONFIRMING the ERROR in YOUR TEACHING. And YOU’RE RIGHT, YOU CANNOT DISPROVE that MARY IS NOT a BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AARON.

        In the SAME WAY, YOU CANNOT DISPROVE that MARY was PORTRAYED as the BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AARON in SURAH 19:28. That is PROVEN by the FACT that MARY was also CALLED, “DAUGHTER OF IMRAN.”

        YOU CANNOT DISPROVE THAT.

        +++

        DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        The Prophet (pbuh) did delete or changed the Qur’anic phrase upon some groups of people seem to have a violent reaction against it. He even stand to it. See, it is still preserved.

        CENON BIBE:
        Is that it or HE COULD NO LONGER REMOVE the ERROR because IT WOULD PROVE that HE MADE A MISTAKE?

    • DEFENDERBEN SAID:
      Cenon, your point that, in the Hadith, the Prophet (pbuh) did NOT say LITERALLY that Mary is NOT a biological sister of Aaron, leaves the literal Qur’anic phrase to mean the ‘Mary is a biological sister Aaron.’

      You are wrong. Remember that the Prophet (pbuh) did not ALSO say LITERALLY that Mary is a biological sister Aaron’. Do not forget of that.

      CENON BIBE:
      I’M SORRY but WHEN DID I MAKE THAT POINT?

      Am i dreaming or ARE YOU DREAMING?

      Anyway, SURAH 19:28 CLEARLY STATED that MARY is the “SISTER OF AARON” and SURAH 66:12 CLEARLY STATED that MARY is the “DAUGHTER OF IMRAN,” who is AARON’S FATHER.

      So, THE QURAN DID NOT HAVE TO USE THE WORD “LITERALLY” because IT HAS CLEARLY SHOWED the ERROR, as PROVEN by TWO VERSES.

      +++

      DEFENDERBEN SAID:
      That your another point that ‘____, brother/sister of _____’ is only limitedly use for direct biological brotherhood and sisterhood as the points according to you, DO NOT FORGET THAT THAT IS IN THE BIBLE – THE BOOK OF LIES. It is not in the Qur’an.

      CENON BIBE:
      WHICH TOLD the LIE that MARY is the “SISTER OF AARON” or that MARY is the “DAUGHTER OF IMRAN”?

      NOT the BIBLE, BEN. NOT THE BIBLE.

      Please CHECK YOUR FACTS.

      • Mughira b. Shu’ba reported: “When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read “O sister of Harun (Aaron)” (i. e. Mary) in the Qur’an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 025, Number 5326)“

        The answer is inside the Hadith, OK?

      • So? Repeating this NON-RESPONSE of your prophet DOES NOT ANSWER the question.

        So what if “The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them”? Where does it say that Mary is not the biological sister of Aaron and not the biological daughter of Imran?

        I hope you are satisfied with your pretension because no self-respecting person would.

      • I did not find the words/phrases that say “Mary is NOT THE BIOLOGICAL SISTER OF AARON and she is NOT A BIOLOGICAL DAUGHTER OF IMRAN. In short, I did not find word “BIOLOGICAL” that you want to be there. LOL. Just like I did not find in the Bible that Jesus is a biological son of the TRUE GOD.

        What I found are:

        26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

        Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
        Hell (Luke 3:23)

        27. Jesus descended from which son of David?

        Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
        Nathan(Luke3:31)

        28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?

        Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
        Neri (Luke 3:27)

        29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?

        Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
        Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.

        30. Who was the father of Uzziah?

        Joram (Matthew 1:8)
        Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)

        31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?

        Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
        Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)

        32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?

        Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
        But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)

        33. Who was the father of Shelah?

        Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
        Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)

        from http://www.answering-christianity.com/101_bible_contradictions.htm

      • DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        I did not find the words/phrases that say “Mary is NOT THE BIOLOGICAL SISTER OF AARON and she is NOT A BIOLOGICAL DAUGHTER OF IMRAN. In short, I did not find word “BIOLOGICAL” that you want to be there. LOL. Just like I did not find in the Bible that Jesus is a biological son of the TRUE GOD.

        CENON BIBE:
        Is THAT the BEST YOU CAN DO? HAHAHA!

        Now, I KNOW that YOU HAVE RUN OUT of IDEAS to DISPROVE the ERROR in QURAN 19:28 that MARY IS THE SISTER OF AARON.

        I just hope YOU ARE HAPPY WITH YOURSELF.

      • You are wrong.

        How about you, are you happy to the “god” that grieve?

        10Then the word of the Lord came to Samuel: 11“I am grieved that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.” Samuel was troubled, and he cried out to the Lord all that night. (1 Samuel 15, NIV)

        35Until the day Samuel died, he did not go to see Saul again, though Samuel mourned for him. And the Lord was grieved that he had made Saul king over Israel.

        (1 Sam 15:35, NIV)

      • DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        How about you, are you happy to the “god” that grieve?

        CENON BIBE:
        WHAT is WRONG about GOD GRIEVING?

        Is that ANYTHING COMPARED to a “GOD” who IS THE WORST OF DECEIVERS?

      • My God is a deceiver? Prove it. I will make a new post about it. Again, that is only between us two.

        Here it is:

        https://defenderben.wordpress.com/2012/05/31/allah-swt-is-not-a-deceiver/

    • DEFENDERBEN SAID:
      You deliberately mentioned clearly some direct biological relations from your Bible.

      Can you tell me, Who is the biological father of Joseph?MATTHEW 1:16 “Jacob was the father of Joseph”.

      Joseph was the husband of Mary,
      and Mary was the mother of Jesus.
      Jesus is called the Christ.

      LUKE 3:23 When Jesus began his ministry, he was about thirty years old. People thought that Jesus was Joseph’s son.
      “Joseph was the son of Heli”.

      CENON BIBE:
      BETTER YET, I WILL GIVE YOU the WHOLE STORY of the TWO GENEALOGIES of the LORD JESUS.

      THERE YOU WILL SEE WHO IS THE FATHER OF JOSEPH.

      CLICK HERE: SINO ANG AMA NI JOSE? SI JACOB O SI HELI?

      OH WAIT!

      YOU HAVEN’T ACCEPTED MY CHALLENGE that IF I PROVE ONE OF YOUR CLAIMS as FALSE then YOU WILL ACCEPT that ALL YOUR CLAIMS are FALSE.

      OH WELL, YOU KNOW that ALL YOUR CLAIMS are FALSE. YOU ARE JUST SO SCARED to ACCEPT IT.

  13. As I have told you, as long as you have not cleared the errors in your Bible, your every defense is useless and will not be accepted. I PROVED THAT MARRY IS NOT A BIOLOGICAL SISTER OF AARON ALREADY. Unlike you, you have not proved that age 22 = age 42 regarding the age of Ahaziah when he begun to rule in Jerusalem. 😀

    • ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE that YOU HAVE BEEN RUNNING AWAY FROM.

      I CALL ON ANYONE READING THIS TO ACT AS WITNESS THAT I AM CHALLENGING YOU TO STAND BY ALL OF YOUR ACCUSATIONS. IF I PROVE THAT ONE OF YOUR CLAIMS IS FALSE THEN YOU MUST ACCEPT THAT ALL YOUR ACCUSATIONS ARE FALSE.

      Now, EVERYBODY IS A WITNESS to YOUR INABILITY to STAND UP to YOUR FALSE CLAIMS AGAINST THE BIBLE.

      • Haha. Calm down Cenon. Seems like u want to use a “damay-damay na tactic” . . . There is no need for me to do so. What I said defending/proving about the “sister of Aaron” thing is done. It is up to u to decide over it if u will accept or not. We Muslims claim she was not a “biological sister” of Prophet Aaron (peace be upon him). The Last Prophet (peace be upon him) has already cleared it too, over 1400 years ago. Do not compare the Last Revelation (Qur’an) as the same with the Earlier Revelations who is now “lost”. What Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has said in the reliable Hadith is enough. As I said, if u do not want to believe, it is up to u. (Die with it!).

      • YOU CANNOT ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE because YOU KNOW that ALL YOUR CLAIMS are FALSE.

        IT’S THAT SIMPLE.

        NOW, ALL WHO READ YOUR BLOG KNOW that YOU ARE ONLY MAKING FALSE CLAIMS AGAINST the BIBLE.

        +++

        DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        We Muslims claim she was not a “biological sister” of Prophet Aaron (peace be upon him).

        CENON BIBE:
        Then YOU YOURSELF are AFFIRMING that THE QURAN is WRONG when IT SAID that MARY IS THE SISTER of AARON and the DAUGHTER of AARON’S FATHER, IMRAN.

        THANK YOU for the ADMISSION.

        +++

        DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        Do not compare the Last Revelation (Qur’an) as the same with the Earlier Revelations who is now “lost”.

        CENON BIBE:
        What “last revelation” is that?

        That which GOD DID NOT REVEAL?

        That which YOU CANNOT PROVE was even revealed by an “angel”?

        Please clarify.

        +++

        DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        What Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has said in the reliable Hadith is enough. As I said, if u do not want to believe, it is up to u. (Die with it!).

        CENON BIBE:
        And WHAT “RELIABLE HADITH” are you TALKING ABOUT?

        Are you referring to the SAHIH AL BUKHARI that GIVES SO MANY DIFFERENT STORIES ABOUT AL MIRAJ?

        “DIE”?

        INDEED, BEN. ALL OF US WILL DIE in GOD’S TIME.

        At least, EVEN IF YOU KILL ME, I WILL DIE in the TRUE FAITH … the FAITH GOD HIMSELF GAVE US when GOD THE SON BECAME MAN and FOUNDED OUR RELIGION.

        HOW ABOUT YOU? YOU will WAIT for GOD’S JUDGMENT while INSISTING on a RELIGION that ADMITS that GOD HIMSELF NEVER FOUNDED IT?

        WILL YOU WAIT for the END while BELIEVING in a PROPHET whom YOU YOURSELF CANNOT PROVE to have been sent by God?

        Anyway, THAT WILL BE YOUR CHOICE. IT WILL BE YOUR SOUL that YOU WILL BE FREELY THROWING INTO HELL.

      • We too believe we will die. We will die believing that age 22 is not equal to age 45. How about that?

        For us, Allah (swt) has no son, etc. (see Qur’an 112). It is not a true faith to die believing in a book that has contradiction, Cenon.

        [can we tackle next time about that God the son on separate title?]

        Did he founded Catholicism himself or did he even mention once the word trinity or catholicism? If yes prove it to me.

        Explain in detail that Allah (swt) did not founded Islam.

        One of my proof of the truthfulness of Islam is the Scientific proofs that can be explain in

        1. http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1.htm

        2. http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links

        Ok ba?

      • DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        We too believe we will die. We will die believing that age 22 is not equal to age 45. How about that?

        For us, Allah (swt) has no son, etc. (see Qur’an 112). It is not a true faith to die believing in a book that has contradiction, Cenon.

        CENON BIBE:
        SADLY , YOU WILL DIE having A WRONG IDEA of CONTRADICTIONS BETWEEN 22 and 45. MAINLY DUE to IGNORANCE of their CONTEXT.

        YOU WILL DIE BELIEVING in an ALLAH that YOU CANNOT PROVE FOUNDED YOUR RELIGION, that YOU CANNOT PROVE APPOINTED YOUR PROPHET, and that YOU CANNOT PROVE SPOKE ANY WORD in YOUR QURAN.

        HOW CAN YOU EXPECT to be SAVED and GO TO PARADISE?

      • DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        Did he founded Catholicism himself or did he even mention once the word trinity or catholicism? If yes prove it to me.

        CENON BIBE:
        OF COURSE!

        First off, CATHOLIC means ENCOMPASSING ALL, specifically ALL NATIONS.

        Even in the OLD TESTAMENT, GOD FORETOLD that HIS RELIGION WOULD be CATHOLIC or UNIVERSAL, encompassing ALL NATIONS.

        Psalms 22
        27. All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the LORD; and all the families of the nations shall worship before him.

        Psalms 86
        9. All the nations you have made shall come and bow down before you, O Lord, and shall glorify your name.

        GOD HIMSELF BECAME MAN and FOUNDED HIS CHURCH.

        MATTHEW 16:18
        And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.

        LATER, GOD HIMSELF COMMANDED HIS FOLLOWERS to BAPTIZE or MAKE DISCIPLES ALL NATIONS.

        MATTHEW 28:19
        Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

        SEE? IT IS VERY CLEAR.

        +++

        DEFENDERBEN SAID:
        Explain in detail that Allah (swt) did not founded Islam.

        CENON BIBE:
        YOUR BELIEFS PROVE that ALLAH DID NOT FOUND ISLAM.

        1. YOU BELIEVE that GOD NEVER SPOKE to ANY MAN. Therefore, YOU PROVE that GOD NEVER SPOKE to ANYONE to FOUND ISLAM.

        2. YOU BELIEVE that GOD NEVER SPOKE to YOUR PROPHET to APPOINT HIM as HIS PROPHET. Therefore, YOU PROVE that GOD NEVER APPOINTED YOUR PROPHET as HIS PROPHET.

        HOW CAN the RELIGION OF YOUR PROPHET be the RELIGION of GOD if YOU YOURSELF BELIEVE that GOD NEVER PERSONALLY APPOINTED YOUR PROPHET.

        3. YOU BELIEVE that GOD NEVER PERSONALLY SAID ANY WORD in YOUR QURAN. Therefore, YOU PROVE that YOUR QURAN DOES NOT CONTAIN ANY WORD that ALLAH HIMSELF SPOKE to YOUR PROPHET.

        HOW can YOUR RELIGION, which relies on the QURAN, be the RELIGION of ALLAH if YOU YOURSELF CANNOT POINT to ONE WORD that GOD SUPPOSEDLY SPOKE IN THE QURAN?

        4. YOU BELIEVE that AN ANGEL REVEALED the QURAN to YOUR PROPHET. BUT YOU ALSO ADMIT that THERE IS NO WITNESS or PROOF that AN ANGEL REVEALED ANYTHING to YOUR PROPHET.

        Therefore, YOU PROVED that IT CAN NEVER BE PROVEN that the QURAN CAME from GOD or an ANGEL.

        So, HOW CAN YOU SAY that ISLAM is GOD’S RELIGION if YOUR QURAN ITSELF CANNOT BE PROVEN to be FROM GOD or an ANGEL?

        IN CONCLUSION,

        +++ YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT ISLAM WAS FOUNDED BY GOD HIMSELF
        +++ YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT YOUR PROPHET WAS APPOINTED BY GOD HIMSELF
        +++YOU CANNOT PROVE that GOD SPOKE ONE WORD that YOUR PROPHET INCLUDED IN THE QURAN
        +++YOU CANNOT PROVE that an ANGEL REVEALED the QURAN to YOUR PROPHET.
        +++YOU CANNOT PROVE that GOD FOUNDED ISLAM.

    • Have you proven that Mary is not a biological sister of Aaron?

      You are only lying to yourself. Where is your refutation on the clear point that Mary was also called the DAUGHTER of IMRAN, the father of Aaron?

      Did you learn to lie when you joined Islam?

      What a shame.

  14. @1catholicdefender,

    Sorry. My apology. I thought you are CENON BIBE. My bad.

    • Sorry. I am Cenon Bibe.

      I noticed that I HAVE BEEN BLOCKED as CENON BIBE so I USED MY WORDPRESS ACCOUNT to RESPOND.

      • Whoever blocked you. I don’t care. It wasn’t me. 😀

      • I wonder who–other than you as the administrator of this site–can block me.

      • There is no other Admin than me. That is the truth. Another truth: I didn’t blocked you. If I blocked you, Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem (In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful), I’m asking Allah (subhanahu wa taAllah) to put me in Hell directly without any trial on the very Day of Judgement. And, I’m asking you be my witness over this swear aside from Him and the angels (assinged) that records my deeds.

      • WHOEVER BLOCKED ME is already BETWEEN YOU and YOUR CONSCIENCE.

        YOUR REMOVAL of SOME OF MY POSTS that EXPOSE RIDICULOUS TEACHINGS of YOUR is also INDICATIVE of YOUR HONESTY or DISHONESTY.

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