Is Allah (swt) a deceiver?: Me vs Cenon Bibe Jr

“WHAT is WRONG about GOD GRIEVING?

Is that ANYTHING COMPARED to a “GOD” who IS THE WORST OF DECEIVERS?” (words of Cenon Bibe Jr / May 28, 4:11 pm / Source)
My Reply: From this statement of Cenon Bibe Jr, he CLEARLY admit that “his God” suffers grief also. But here, I do not care about that. Why? In this very post of mine, I want him to “PROVED” to me his claim that Allah (swt) is a deceiver.

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"We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?" ~ (The Noble Qur'an, 41:53)
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4 Responses to Is Allah (swt) a deceiver?: Me vs Cenon Bibe Jr

  1. OKAY, IF YOU INSIST.

    ALLOW ME to just CITE what SAM SHAMOUN said in his article, “Allah – The Greatest Deceiver of them All”

    SHAMOUN WRITES:

    The Quran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents.

    For example, the Quran calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makr there is:

    But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

    Other texts that identify Allah as a makr include:

    Are they then secure from Allah’s deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah’s deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99

    So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50

    The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as:

    Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem.

    makara vb. (1)
    perf. act. 3:54, 3:54, 7:123, 13:42, 14:46, 16:26, 16:45, 27:50, 40:45, 71:22
    impf. act. 6:123, 6:123, 6:124, 8:30, 8:30, 8:30, 10:21, 12:102, 16:127, 27:70, 35:10
    n.vb. 7:99, 7:99, 7:123, 10:21, 10:21, 12:31, 13:33, 13:42, 14:46, 14:46, 14:46, 27:50, 27:50, 27:51, 34:33, 35:10, 35:43, 35:43, 71:22
    pcple. act. 3:54, 8:30

    LL, V7, p: 256 (Source)

    And:

    He practised DECEIT, GUILE, or CIRCUMVENTION, desiring to do another a foul, an abominable, or an evil action, clandestinely or without his knowing whence it proceeded. (Lane’s Arabic-English Lexicon; source)

    Lest Muslims accuse these lexicons of bias or distortion notice what Muslim scholar Dr. Mahmoud M. Ayoub says when he asks,

    “how the word makr (scheming or plotting), which implies deceitfulness or dishonesty, could be attributed to God.” (The Quran and Its Interpreters – The House of Imran [State University of New York Press [SUNY], Albany 1992], Volume II, p. 165; italic emphasis ours)

    After listing several Muslim sources he quotes a renowned Muslim expositor named ar-Razi who wrote that,

    “scheming (makr) is actually an act of deception aiming at causing evil. It is not possible to attribute deception to God. Thus the word is one of the muttashabihat [multivalent words of the Quran].” (Ibid., p. 166; italic emphasis ours)

    Unfortunately for ar-Razi, the Quran attributes deception to Allah since it identifies him as the best makr there is.

    Ayoub also sources one Muslim who actually boasted of Allah being the best conniver/deceiver/schemer etc.,

    “Qurtubi observes that some scholars have considered the words ‘best of schemers’ to be one of God’s beautiful names. Thus one would pray, ‘O Best of Schemers, scheme for me!’ Qurtubi also reports that the Prophet used to pray, ‘O God, scheme for me, and do not scheme against me!’ (Qurtubi, IV, pp. 98-99; cf. Zamakhshari, I, p. 366).” (Ibid., p. 166)

    And here, also, is how one of the earliest sources on the life of Muhammad interpreted Q. 8:30:

    Then he reminds the apostle of His favour towards him when the people plotted against him ‘to kill him, or to wound him, or to drive him out; and they plotted and God plotted, and is the best of plotters.’ i.e. I DECEIVED them with My firm GUILE so that I delivered you from them. (The Life of Muhammad: A Translation of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah, with introduction and notes by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi, Tenth impression 1995], p. 323; capital emphasis ours)

    Thus, the Quran unashamedly calls Muhammad’s god the best liar and deceiver of them all! It even dares to say that ALL deception belongs completely to Allah:

    And verily, those before them did deceive/scheme (makara), but all deception/scheming is Allah’s (falillahi al-makru). He knows what every person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end. S. 13:42

    In fact, the Quran states that Allah actually raises wicked individuals to deceive and scheme:

    Even so have we placed in every city, ringleaders of its wicked ones, to scheme therein (liyamkuroo): but only against themselves shall they scheme (yamkuroona)! and they know it not. S. 6:123 Rodwell

    And further commands people to do evil so that he can then have a reason to destroy them!

    And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its folk who live at ease, AND AFTERWARD they commit abomination therein, and so the Word (of doom) hath effect for it, and we annihilate it with complete annihilation. S. 17:16 Pickthall

    IF YOU NEED MORE PROOF, I CAN SUPPLY YOU SOME MORE.

    The QUESTION IS WILL YOU ALLOW THIS POST? OR WILL YOU JUST ERASE IT LIKE WHAT YOU DID WITH SOME OF MY OTHER POSTS?

    • Note that, from above as my evidence, you clearly pointed that Allah (swt) is a deceiver. Walang bawian ha. Mag-sorry pwede, pero bawian, hindi.

      The problem here is the evidence you two presented is in English translation, and you are NOT very sure if the translation is 100% the same with the thought of the passage or at least close or unfair, like Shamoun is fooling yourselves (two of you).

      The translation you two presented is clearly unfair. 😦 Are you afraid to the fact Qur’an speaks truth, making many of your followers go out of the Church and run the Mosques? Nah, nevermind. 🙂

      For the fair translation:

      Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan:

      [003:054] And they (disbelievers) plotted (to kill Iesa (Jesus) ), and Allah planned too. And Allah is the Best of the planners.
      [008:030] And (remember) when the disbelievers plotted against you (O Muhammad SAW) to imprison you, or to kill you, or to get you out (from your home, i.e. Makkah); they were plotting and Allah too was planning, and Allah is the Best of the planners.
      [007:099] Did they then feel secure against the Plan of Allah. None feels secure from the Plan of Allah except the people who are the losers.
      [027:050] So they plotted a plot, and We planned a plan, while they perceived not.
      [007:123] Firaun (Pharaoh) said: “You have believed in him (Moosa (Moses)) before I give you permission. Surely, this is a plot which you have plotted in the city to drive out its people, but you shall come to know.
      [013:042] And verily, those before them did devise plots, but all planning is Allahs. He knows what every person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end (final destination).
      [014:046] Indeed, they planned their plot, and their plot was with Allah, though their plot was a great (one, still) it would never be able to remove the mountains (real mountains or the Islamic law) from their places (as it is of no importance) (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Vol. , Page ). (It is said by some interpreters regarding this Verse that the Quraish pagans plotted against Prophet Muhammad SAW to kill him but they failed and were unable to carry out their plot which they plotted).
      [016:026] Those before them indeed plotted, but Allah struck at the foundation of their building, and then the roof fell down upon them, from above them, and the torment overtook them from directions they did not perceive.

      Oh my . . . I got tired of copy-and-paste, you seem to waste my time. 😀 (Kidding aside). I do not think that “deceive” is the best “translation” for the term. Allah (swt) do not do negative things. Just go refer to the other verses in http://answering-christianity.com/quran_search.htm 😀

      NOTE: Planning is far different from deception. / Just the same with Plotting.

      X-X-X

      What about in you Bible?

    • CENON SAID: IF YOU NEED MORE PROOF, I CAN SUPPLY YOU SOME MORE.

      The QUESTION IS WILL YOU ALLOW THIS POST? OR WILL YOU JUST ERASE IT LIKE WHAT YOU DID WITH SOME OF MY OTHER POSTS?

      My Reply: Go ahead. Bring it on!!! I want something that can knock me out!!!
      I’m allowing the post, PROVIDED THAT THE POSTS/COMMENTS IS NOT SPAMMING. FOR IF IT YOU SPAM AGAIN, TRASH CAN IS WILL BE ITS PLACE TOO. 😀

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