Bible Contradiction: 7 YEARS OR THREE YEARS?

Philippians 1:18 / New International Version (NIV)

18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Yes, and I will continue to rejoice,

My Response to Cenon Bibe’s Response to me: 2Sam 24:13 vs 1Chr 21:12; Famine: 7 or 3 years?

His (Cenon Bibe) link can be access here:  http://sagot-sa-balik-islam.blogspot.com/2012/07/2sam-2413-vs-1chr-2112-famine-7-or-3.html I advise the reader to visit the link first before going on below.

Cenon Bibe wrote:

LET us explain another claim of contradiction put forward by MUSLIM DEFENDER BEN LAN[G]CUYAN.

Lan[g]cuyan posted this question to me:

God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
We have already proved in our previous posts that there are NO CONTRADICTIONS in the Bible. People like Lan[g]cuyan are either confused or have been misled by detractors of the Holy Book.

I praise and thank God for this new opportunity to further prove the inerrancy of the Sacred Scriptures.

My Response:

Ok. Bring it on.

Cenon Bibe wrote:

To see the root of Lan[g]cuyan’s confusion, let us read the two texts that he cited.

2Samuel 24:13

So Gad came to David and told him, and said to him, “Shall seven years of famine come to you in your land? Or will you flee three months before your foes while they pursue you? Or shall there be three days’ pestilence in your land? Now consider and see what answer I shall return to Him who sent me.”
1Chronicles 21:11-12

So Gad came to David and said to him, “Thus says the LORD, `Take for yourself either three years of famine, or three months to be swept away before your foes, while the sword of your enemies overtakes you, or else three days of the sword of the LORD, even pestilence in the land, and the angel of the LORD destroying throughout all the territory of Israel.’ Now, therefore, consider what answer I shall return to Him who sent me.”
So, in 2Samuel 24:13the prophet Gad told David of “seven years of famine,” while in 1Chronicles 21:12, he was quoted as saying “three years of famine.”

In Lan[g]cuyan’s mind, “seven” and “three” are contradictory. He needs to be enlightened.

My Response:

Indeed, 7 and 3 aren’t equal and therefore a crystal clear contradictory.

Cenon Bibe wrote:

As I have said before, everyone should see differences in accounts as mere differences in POINTS OF VIEW or in the EXPRESSIONS used by the various authors. They usually MEAN THE SAME.

My Response:

Either it is by in differences in points of view or expressions used, it still goes back to it’s root author/s (e.i. your god or gods).

Cenon Bibe wrote:

Between 2Sam 24:13 and 1Chr 21:12, there is really no difference in the BIBLICAL MEANING of “seven” and “three.”

In the Bible, “seven” and “three” are synonymous. They have similar meanings. And that similar meaning is DIVINE or SPIRITUAL PERFECTION.

THREE is associated with the PERFECTION of GOD. While SEVEN is related with the PERFECTION of the SPIRIT.

My Response:

It has nothing to do with what’s the alleged Biblical meaning of each of the numbers, 3 and 7. We are looking here how many years of famine did your god threatened David with famine. Not what’s the Biblical meanings of any numbers! You are NOT that smart.

Even in meanings of the two, they are not the same! What a!

Cenon Bibe wrote:

When the author of 2Sam 24:13 wrote about what the prophet Gad told David, he merely quoted what the prophet actually said. So, 2Sam 24:13 says, “seven years.”

My Response:

Great. Here you admitted that it was “actually” (and originally) 7 years!

Cenon Bibe wrote:

Now, we already said in our other posts that the author of 1Chronicles is a priest or a religious person.

When he wrote 1Chr 21:12, he stressed that fact that the punishment being meted out to David was FROM GOD. It was an expression of GOD’S PERFECT WILL.

So, instead of simply quoting what the prophet said, the author of 1Chr 21:12 put God directly into the quotation by using “three.”

My Response:

It has nothing to do what’s the human author of 1 Chronicles 21. The human author of 2 Samuel 24 ALSO stressed that the punishment was from your god. And the punishment of seven years was ALSO his expression of his perfect will.

Your arguements are destroyed.

Note also that you exposed here how he corrupt the detail by changing the 7 into 3.

Cenon Bibe wrote:

And again, NO CONTRADICTIONS in the Bible.

What Bible detractors like Lan[g]cuyan and Muslim defenders call “contradictions” are only signs of their own lack of knowledge and understanding of what they are attacking.

My Response:

Of course, there is. The fact that it was actually (and originally) 7 as you have admitted but was 3 on the other means the Bible is having contradiction. Let’s not forget that we’re looking for a SINGLE specific “number of years” on ‘How many years of famine did your god threatened David?’ Not if the Biblical meanings of 7 and 3 are the same or not!

You failed as ALWAYS!!!

[***Note: From above words of Cenon Bibe, he affirmed that it was 7 Years in 2 Samuel and 3 Years in 1 Chronicles 21:11-12. Next, he affirmed that the two passages is talking about the SAME BIBLICAL EVENT.]

[***A important info to everyone: Just about a year ago, I happened to check the Biblical verse, 2 Samuel 24:13, in the popular Bible website http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Samuel%2024:13&version=KJV;NIV And I’m surprised that the SEVEN YEARS is NOW SILENTLY CHANGED into THREE YEARS in other leading English Bible versions!]

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"We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and INSIDE THEIR SELVES, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?" ~ (The Noble Qur'an, 41:53)
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